Re: [FRIAM] Covid

On 6/30/22 3:56 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote: Oh, Ed.  So sorry.  It really sucks to get Covid this late.  Hope it's mild for you. I'm flying back home to Santa Fe next week.  Wondering if the next booster shot is available yet. hope the Covid goes OK for you Ed.   For the most part lately, I've o

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

Oh, Ed. So sorry. It really sucks to get Covid this late. Hope it's mild for you. I'm flying back home to Santa Fe next week. Wondering if the next booster shot is available yet. On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 6:39 AM Edward Angel wrote: > I tested positive for Covid twice yesterday. Fairly mild s

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

Sorry about that, Ed. All OK here. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 11:44 AM George Duncan wrote: > Such encouragement! But true, of course. > > George Duncan > Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon Unive

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

Such encouragement! But true, of course. George Duncan Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University georgeduncanart.com See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Land: (505) 983-6895 Mobile: (505) 469-4671 My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order an

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

There is a lot of talk and some evidence that negative tests are not reliable (presumably this means not as reliable as they used to be). —Barry On 30 Jun 2022, at 13:23, George Duncan wrote: Ed, Sorry to hear that test result. Having been at FRIAM, I just took the test, as did my wife She

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

Ed, Sorry to hear that test result. Having been at FRIAM, I just took the test, as did my wife Sherry. We both tested negatively. George Duncan Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University georgeduncanart.com See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Land: (505) 983-6895 Mobil

Re: [FRIAM] Covid

Sorry to hear it. Are your visitors the Caltech pals, or Folk Art people? Are you going to try to get that new medicine to ameliorate covid, or just let it run its course? Bruce On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 7:39 AM Edward Angel wrote: > I tested positive for Covid twice yesterday. Fairly mild sym

[FRIAM] Covid

I tested positive for Covid twice yesterday. Fairly mild symptoms: achy and a sore throat. I thought it was an allergy but decided to get tested since we were expecting visitors. I didn’t get the symptoms till Monday evening so there is a fair chance I might have caught it either at FRIAM at S

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Steelman which one? I proposed 3: 1) SpO2 may not be accurate. 2) Health apps are only used by an rareified demographic. 3) Composition of individual effect to group effect is hard. It sounds like you're targeting (3), given your mention of NOVID and R0. But it's related to both (1) and (2) by t

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Yours is a pretty good strawman use case, do you have a steelman one? My tin man ideation was more like:   If you have or can get an SPO2 monitor (especially a continuous read like the Ouros rings),   then add a simple app that gets a baseline from your readings and then alerts you to anomolies th

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Well, it's worth noting that SpO2 is *not* a good approximation to SaO2 under a pretty large variety of conditions. So, given that most of our electronic health record data is seriously dirty already, adding even more, dirtier, data doesn't seem all that useful to me. Add to that the fact that

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

When COVID hit, I was using a fitness band that was *capable* of reading SPO2 but it required a deliberate "stop and hold the band tight against the wrist and trigger and take several readings but accept the highest"...  there were one or more new "fitness rings" out which presumably did better (b

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

only cold-like symptoms.Hope you feel better soon!-J. Original message From: "uǝlƃ ☤>$" Date: 9/27/21 20:00 (GMT+01:00) To: FriAM Subject: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet So, I've been self-quarantined for 10 days, now, monitoring my SpO2 regularly. I'

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

l Message- >From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith >Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:05 PM >To: friam@redfish.com >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet > > >On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> What am I struggling with? > > "But while fighti

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Ah, I see. No,this infection is run of the mill. Just snort some salt water and wait it out. I monitored my SpO2 as a signal whether to get a covid test. Since it never dropped very low, I had no fever, no loss of smell/taste, etc., I didn't bother to get a covid test. Had any one of those obtai

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 9:05 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > What am I struggling with? "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were "strugglin

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

On 9/27/21 4:11 PM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > What am I struggling with? "But while fighting my infection" I took this to mean you were "struggling" with an infection. I understand/appreciate that your SPO2 numbers weren't necessarily causing you any symptoms... I assume you were measuring them for

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 3:11 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet What am I struggling with? Thanks for the stories about SpO2. They nicely demonstrate that variation is normal. To be clear, when I talk about SpO2, I'm not talking about symptoms at

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

nobody blinks an >>> eye. This has always puzzled me because some things I have read treat >>> anything below 93 as a near-death experience. I move UP to santa fe at >>> least once a year and after a week of acclimation, don't notice much >>> difference. >>> &

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

ce much >> difference. >> >> I will be making that transition in a 3 weeks. I will take good notes. >> >> Nick Thompson >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

ctor for death from COVID-19. Just to cheer you > up. 😊 > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:29 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet > > Of course, "

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

Anemia shows up as a risk factor for death from COVID-19. Just to cheer you up. 😊 -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 11:29 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet Of course, "blinking an eye&qu

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

ompson/ > > -Original Message- > From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 1:55 PM > To: FriAM > Subject: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet > > So, I've been self-quarantined for 10 days, now, monitoring my SpO2 > regularly.

Re: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

n Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 1:55 PM To: FriAM Subject: [FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet So, I've been self-quarantined for 10 days, now, monitoring my SpO2 regularly. I've always run low (~98% or 99%, only reaching 100% with breathing exercises). But while fig

[FRIAM] COVID SaO2 at 7k feet

So, I've been self-quarantined for 10 days, now, monitoring my SpO2 regularly. I've always run low (~98% or 99%, only reaching 100% with breathing exercises). But while fighting my infection [⛧], I've gone down to 90 or even 89. Renee' says the COVID patients that come to the hospital are runnin

[FRIAM] Covid-Lancet-PART-2 (002).doc

Dear Colleagues, I attach a paper written by an internet acquaintance I made some years back, Dragan Pavlovic. I am sending it along for two reasons. First, it reveals (to me, at least) that the two negative studies on Hydroxychloroq

[FRIAM] COVID-19 and the dynamic structure of DNA

Here’s a cheery observation.. on the topic of the geometry of DNA https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.04.412155v1 - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://re

[FRIAM] COVID-19 Apps are Terrible -- They didn't have to be.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20424830/bambauer-and-ray-final-2.pdf > COVID-19 apps in the United States have been ineffective as public health > tools because they are designed primarily to protect privacy. Poor design > choices, effectively mandated by Google and Apple, were drive

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

Hi Steve, You probably have read more on this already than I have, but I believe the reason for using sound rather than bluetooth is that RF can see through walls, and very high-frequency sound can’t. They wanted a signal that would be positive for people in the same interior space, but not fo

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

Eric - You understood, and yes, the false positives between flat-dwellers with BT would be obviated somewhat.   I was mostly just spectulating on: A) is there anything intrinsically less safe about recording (encrypted) BT:Mac addresses and the kind of mutual handshake required without that (as wi

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

Yes, seems to be a good app. Georgia Tech has set up a group account that one can log into, and it is part of their campus surveillance system. I do have to stop, and do something probably nobody on the list has any reason to care about, to give a shout-out to them. The current GT monitoring s

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

Eric - Great story/shout-out to those who create/maintained a "pocket of sanity" for you.  I feel similarly with the Los Alamos County swimming pool which manages to be hyper-welcoming whilst managing things in a convincingly safe manner (w/o seeming arbitrary?).   It helps that there is chlorinat

Re: [FRIAM] COVID tracking

If you're in Santa Fe, enter "SANTAFE" as the community code in the settings of the NOVID app. two days ago it had 50 members. now I see it now up to 196. -Stephen ___ stephen.gue...@simtable.com CEO, Simtable http://www.simtabl

[FRIAM] COVID tracking

NOVID is the first pre-exposure notification app to fight COVID-19. It’s free, anonymous, and shows you cases close in your network before you’re exposed. It only takes one minute to download. Please visit novid.org - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Gr

[FRIAM] COVID Transmission Seminar

Wednesday morning Professor Jose Jimenez of University of Colorado at Boulder presented an APS COVID Research and Resources Group seminar "Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2, and how to protect ourselves: What we know now." Along with the technical content, he addressed the reasons WHO and the

[FRIAM] covid-19 risk prediction app

I haven't looked deeply into it, but perhaps of some interest: https://news.yale.edu/2020/06/05/yale-app-hunala-aims-be-waze-coronavirus -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays

Re: [FRIAM] COVID Cases since June by state partisanship (see dropdown for different versions )

The consolidation of red was no surprise. Wisconsin wasn't either, but how soon do others follow? From: Friam on behalf of Barry MacKichan Sent: Monday, November 16, 2020 9:10 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [

Re: [FRIAM] COVID Cases since June by state partisanship (see dropdown for different versions )

I grew up in North Dakota. Watching it rise from below the chart to the top was scary. —Barru On 15 Nov 2020, at 20:25, George Duncan wrote: "If static graphs are informative—dynamic ones can be absolutely riveting. https://dangoodspeed.com/covid/total-cases-since-june George Duncan Emerit

Re: [FRIAM] covid planning tool

Rebecca has some criticisms of the map: Please Stop Sharing the New COVID-19 Risk Map. It's Dangerous. https://youtu.be/OJQBAhzQbUM On 11/11/20 10:17 AM, uǝlƃ ↙↙↙ wrote: > Excellent example of the power of things like R-Shiny, Jupyter, et al. I'm a > little concerned with this part, though: > >

Re: [FRIAM] covid planning tool

Excellent example of the power of things like R-Shiny, Jupyter, et al. I'm a little concerned with this part, though: https://github.com/jsweitz/covid-19-event-risk-planner "NOTE: THE REASONABLE UNCERTAINTY IN THIS CALCULATION EXCEEDS THE SCENARIOS SHOWN HERE" Matlab? Pffft! What were you think

[FRIAM] covid planning tool

Now this is a tool I can use and have some degree of confidence when using it. https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/ davew - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://re

[FRIAM] COVID Data from the Financial Times

Data presentation guru Edward Tufte has recommended the COVID data presented by the Financial Times. It now has a big data summary available.  https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-global-data/ Frank Chambers Frank W. Chambers2 Sabroso Pl.Santa Fe, NM 87508Home:  (505) 466-1942Cell:   (405) 614-4353- ...

Re: [FRIAM] COVID-19 at the White House - Contact Tracking - Peter James Walker | Tableau Public

Some diseases have criminal exposure laws, HIV for instance: https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/states/exposure.html It seems that there should be more of a stink about the ethics of knowingly exposing individuals, especially essential workers, to Covid-19. -- Sent from: http://friam.471366.n

[FRIAM] COVID-19 at the White House - Contact Tracking - Peter James Walker | Tableau Public

Want to try and figure out who the index patient is for the White House epidemic? These folks are trying to give you the tools.https://public.tableau.com/prof@ile/peter.james.walker#!/

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:39 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis Multiple Sc

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

Multiple Sclerosis has this correlation too. People in northern regions are more prone to it. From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:24 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young-J. Original message From: Jochen Fromm Date: 9/19/20 12:24 (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis If we look a

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis In New Mexico we get our vitamin D from the sun.---Frank C. Wimberly140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505505 670-9918Santa Fe, NMOn Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:35 PM Jochen Fromm wrote: Interesting article which also claims Vitamin-D is hel

Re: [FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

In New Mexico we get our vitamin D from the sun. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:35 PM Jochen Fromm wrote: > Interesting article which also claims Vitamin-D is helpful fighting the > disease. Vitamin-D is contained

[FRIAM] Covid-19 & the Bradykinin hypothesis

Interesting article which also claims Vitamin-D is helpful fighting the disease. Vitamin-D is contained for instance in fresh fish - who was the one that didn't like Sushi? Might not be that bad..  https://elemental.medium.com/a-supercomputer-analyzed-covid-19-and-an-interesting-new-theory-has-e

Re: [FRIAM] Covid in New Mexico

thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:14 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> >

Re: [FRIAM] Covid in New Mexico

/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 10:14 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Covid in New Mexico https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-new-mexico-controlled-the-spread

[FRIAM] Covid in New Mexico

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-new-mexico-controlled-the-spread-of-covid-19/ -- Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D. Center for Emergent Diplomacy emergentdiplomacy.org Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA mobile: (303) 859-5609 skype: merle.lelfkoff2 twitter: @merle110 - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. .

[FRIAM] COVID-19 Global Response Index

COVID-19 Global Response Index by Sabrina I. Pacifici on Aug 12, 2020 * [Spoiler – Not – The U.S. ranks 31st out of 36 countries in its assessment of government responses to COVID-19] From FP Analytics:* A country-by-country assessment of government

Re: [FRIAM] Covid 2025 as perceived by University of Chicago profs

Is there a linked or attached article? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Aug 11, 2020, 7:54 PM George Duncan wrote: > > George Duncan > Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University > georgeduncanart.com > See posts o

[FRIAM] Covid 2025 as perceived by University of Chicago profs

George Duncan Emeritus Professor of Statistics, Carnegie Mellon University georgeduncanart.com See posts on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram Land: (505) 983-6895 Mobile: (505) 469-4671 My art theme: Dynamic exposition of the tension between matrix order and luminous chaos. "Attempt what is not ce

Re: [FRIAM] Covid question

I know you were probably just ranting. But I think these are interesting psychosocial questions along the same lines as mind-reading (including cross-species mind-reading), the intelligence of GPT-3, why some people really want others to turn on their camera for Zoom meetings, and emotion/meme

[FRIAM] Covid question

so blah blah Covid. Questions; what happens when or if Covid stays? And why doesn't the governor close the borders for ptr's. mean is there any f** reason to be visiting? none that I can think of! I am loving loving loving loving loving is the warm weather as much as the next guy. But I thin

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph - YACovidGraph

st an averaging effect? Original Message Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph From: Date: Thu, July 23, 2020 2:09 pm To: "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'" Isn’t the case that if the disease kills the most vulnerable people first and is stopped

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

du/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 1:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph But compare across the three counties. Italy leads us to believe it is a simple lag between cases and deaths

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

on/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Barry MacKichan > *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:40 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph > > > > The method for re

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

nt: Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph The method for reporting Covid data changed, and public health people were predicting that it increased the burden for already overburdened hospitals. Is that

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:40 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph The method for reporting Covid data changed, and public health people were predic

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

The method for reporting Covid data changed, and public health people were predicting that it increased the burden for already overburdened hospitals. Is that possibly an explanation for the leveling off? If not, what would cause deaths to level off while cases (and hospitalizations as seen in

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

...speaking of data visualization... (Everything else is noise) Wealth to scale: *https://mkorostoff.github.io/1-pixel-wealth/* On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:18 PM Eric Charles wrote: > I know some at FRIAM like to obsess over the ongoing apocaly

Re: [FRIAM] Covid graph

/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Eric Charles Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:18 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] Covid graph I know some at FRIAM like to obsess over the ongoing apocalypse, so I thought you might app

[FRIAM] Covid graph

I know some at FRIAM like to obsess over the ongoing apocalypse, so I thought you might appreciate this. It is the second covid graph I prepared for my Facebook feed. I think trying to think clearly about what's going on requires a data-visualization format something like this. We desperately want

Re: [FRIAM] COVID-19 ICU and hospitalization data no longer available

Agreed. But NM has its own website, with some information.  Not sure how it compares with the site your article referenced. https://cvprovider.nmhealth.org/public-dashboard.html I would hope its information is will be updated going forward. It seems to be updated daily. There might be comp

[FRIAM] COVID-19 ICU and hospitalization data no longer available

State-level ICU & hospitalization data is no longer available to the public as of last Wednesday. It's a big deal. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/07/17/1005391/covid-coronavirus-hospitalizations-data-access-cdc/ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexit

[FRIAM] covid in sf

Hi, all. 20 new cases in santa fe just today! If you sheltered in place in late march, then reason dictates that you should be doing it again for the next week or so. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Particularly, given that Bruce is basking on the Cape. Nick N Nicholas Tho

Re: [FRIAM] COVID-19 Pandemic Modeling and Simulation

Some have posted their COVID-19 models to the list. Here's a specific request from the SCS. It's unclear to me if they only want members to fill it out. My guess is they would be OK with posts from non-members as long as they were willing to join, present, or collaborate. On 7/8/20 12:19 PM, do

[FRIAM] COVID-19 Global speed

https://www.facebook.com/1396501788/posts/10217389314470270/?sfnsn=mo&d=n&vh=i - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com arc

[FRIAM] COVID update

https://covid19.pitchinteractive.com/stream/us/?fbclid=IwAR3thq3a-zG8q1L4SA66qxFPo_UDmlN-FbXu6RQNAnG7s9Z74DCnUeWaoVU Tom Johnson - t...@jtjohnson.com Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA 505.577.6482(c)

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Nick, Thank you for the clarification. It does appear that my objection is non-applicable. That said, I hope that the *spirit* of my comment is maintained throughout the policymaking process. Jon -- --- .-. . .-.. --- -.-. -.- ... -..-. .- .-. . -..-. - . -..-. . ... ... . -. - .. .- .-.. -

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

ss.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Jon Zingale Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 11:41 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Cody, Nick, et al. Part of my concern with a white van or relying on herd immunity approach is the

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Jon, I keep seeing the term "white van" tossed around. Would you enlighten me? Google didn't unambiguously help. On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 12:41 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > Cody, Nick, et al. > > Part of my concern with a *white van* or *relying on herd immunity* > approach > is the side-effect health

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Cody, Nick, et al. Part of my concern with a *white van* or *relying on herd immunity* approach is the side-effect health risks associated with Covid-19. From a Johns Hopkins article :

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Frank writes: < If a strawman argument is meant to ridicule an opposing point of view you can say preposterous things. > My experience is that people that use strawman arguments may *not* be acting in bad faith. Rather they don’t know how to argue. To argue is nothing more than to hurt the

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

somehow in a post pandemic world and that we do not > “deserve” to be quarantined. The virus does care for deserts. > > > > n > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > h

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Hey, I'm very familiar with the deserts of NM particularly those where I lived as a kid. I'll take my .30-30 down there and just live on rabbit meat until this is over. ^straw man^. I think. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

meritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:30 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subjec

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:30 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Nick - I think Cody's question is a good example of what *I* have tended to think of as a "S

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

. > >   > > Nick > >   > >   > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > >   &g

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

t; > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *cody dooderson > *Sent:* Thursd

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

<mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of cody dooderson Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 8:12 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Here is a literature review.. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20065771v1.full.pdf Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Steve Smith wrote:  Marcus wrote: What if it is like the cold? I assume you mean by this, "what if there is only limited residual immunity?

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Marcus wrote: > What if it is like the cold? I assume you mean by this, "what if there is only limited residual immunity?" cody  wrote: >> I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the >> government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for >> every kid t

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

What if it is like the cold? On May 28, 2020, at 7:12 AM, cody dooderson wrote:  I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for every kid to spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly catching covi

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

I had what I think is a great idea for herd immunity. What if the government were to open overnight summer camps, and even pay for every kid to spend 1 month canoeing, camping, and most importantly catching covid. This way they could gain a herd immunity so that school could safely open in Septembe

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Cody - > > Nothing in my search will be ready for the September deadline. Where > did this deadline come from? > I think September is a placeholder for:  1. Return to School (and the social mixing implied at all grade levels) 2. Acutely (equinox) shortening days of sunlight (UV on outdoor su

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

4 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Nick, After reading your post, I went on a short quest to prove you wrong. Regretfully I did not find much information to support my claim. The most optimistic date for a vaccine is like 9

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Professor of Ethology and Psychology > > Clark University > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *cody dooderson > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:15 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

il.com <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of cody dooderson Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Every so often I will

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l.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:26 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] C

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clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:26 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics > > > > B

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

alf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:26 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Benignness. Benignity means kindness or tolerance toward others. See how annoying we language obsessives are. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Cal

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ompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Prof David West > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:57 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics > > > > Does not

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Prof David West Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:57 PM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Does not Ewald suggest that a virus might evolve to be more beni

Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics

Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 at 12:57 PM To: "friam@redfish.com" Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Covid and Politics Does not Ewald suggest that a virus might evolve to be more benign vis-a-vis its hosts so as to maximize the number of potential hosts, i.e. avoid killing them off and reducing

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> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology > Clark University > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:36 PM > *To:* The Friday Morni

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