Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-22 Thread John Kennison
f Nicholas Thompson [nickthomp...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 3:59 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work? I know I am not qualified to join this discussion, but may I say just one thing? As we struggle with ou

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-21 Thread Nicholas Thompson
a narwhale tooth sticking out of its forehead." Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:40 PM To: stephen.gue...@redfish.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How do forces w

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-21 Thread Steve Smith
S - I'd like to think Gil and I could take credit for running Bruce off with our Light/Dark Boson/Lepton nonsensery but I think he's hardier than that! Carry On! - S Aya, it turns out Bruce recently unsubscribed from FRIAM. I hope you guys on the list are happy with your signal to noise rati

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-21 Thread Russ Abbott
When I asked AskA{Mathematician, Physicist} the force question, here's the answer I got -- which includes a pointer to the Feynman video mentioned earlier. In quantum field theory we talk about forces being conveyed by "force carriers". Photons for the Electroma

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Russ Abbott
Yes, I definitely wanted Bruce's post. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * My paper on how the Fed can fix the economy: ssrn.com/abstract=1977688* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105 Googl

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Owen Densmore
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > Aya, it turns out Bruce recently unsubscribed from FRIAM. I hope you guys > on the list are happy with your signal to noise ratio ;-)Just > kidding...keep it up. > OT, but: I think we failed a test. Maybe we should split the list? Or

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work? Too bad we don't have Bruce and Ruth here to jury this sideshow, but still! I was always disturbed by the "rubber sheet" description of Gravitational Forces. In the spirit of circul

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Steve Smith
Too bad we don't have Bruce and Ruth here to jury this sideshow, but still! I was always disturbed by the "rubber sheet" description of Gravitational Forces. In the spirit of circular logic, I was always left wondering when the models of say the sun and a planet or two were set down onto the

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Steve Smith
Gil- hmm: So what happens if a repulicon and a boson colide? I think it just did... we'll have to see how it turns out... watch for distortions in your field. - Boson FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-20 Thread Gillian Densmore
etism". But if we think about >> long enough, we may still wonder how two objects can move toward or away >> from each other. My question would be, "Does magnetism still seem a bit >> miraculous, or do you feel your question is answered, at least for >> magnetism? In either case, what would a satisfying answer

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
t; from each other. My question would be, "Does magnetism still seem a bit >> miraculous, or do you feel your question is answered, at least for >> magnetism? In either case, what would a satisfying answer look like?" >> >> John >> >> _

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
m? In either case, what would a satisfying answer look like?" John From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] on behalf of Russ Abbott [russ.abb...@gmail.com <mailto:russ.abb...@gmail.com>]

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Steve Smith
+2 ! How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps ans

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
>> miraculous, or do you feel your question is answered, at least for >> magnetism? In either case, what would a satisfying answer look like?" >> >> John >> >> >> From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf o

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Nicholas Thompson
_ From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Russ Abbott [russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:50 PM To: FRIAM Subject: [FRIAM] How do forces work? Yesterday I asked this question<http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/61542/how-do-forces-work ?noredirect=1#comment12

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
answer look like?" > > John > > > From: Friam [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Russ Abbott [ > russ.abb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:50 PM > To: FRIAM > Subject: [FRIAM] How do forces work? > > Y

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread John Kennison
friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Russ Abbott [russ.abb...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:50 PM To: FRIAM Subject: [FRIAM] How do forces work? Yesterday I asked this question<http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/61542/how-do-forces-work?noredirect=1#comment123788_61542

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
(bad joke aside): Russ do you have a specific type of force group of forces in mind? On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: > One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really > mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?) > a mat

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Aya, it turns out Bruce recently unsubscribed from FRIAM. I hope you guys on the list are happy with your signal to noise ratio ;-)Just kidding...keep it up. Anyway, Bruce, as I had hoped, had a nice response, albeit offlist. If you want to respond to this thread, please cc: Bruce. I copy his

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Gillian Densmore
How forces work: Theres the dark forces and light forces with all persistant and guide your destiny. They push against each other yet somehow balance out. With enough of the dark forces you can choke people you deem incompitent, or shoot lightning from your hands. I hope that helps answers the qu

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
One of the replies to my question on StackExchange was that what really mattered was that something is accelerated. Since acceleration is really(?) a matter of a change in energy of the thing accelerated, perhaps the most fundamental interaction is the transfer of energy from one entity (whatever a

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Stephen Guerin
Along the lines that Lee is mentioning with fields being the first class objects, Bruce Sherwood may be able to illuminate some of the current thinking in Quantum Field Theory and how interpretations are made with respect to forces. Bruce? -Stephen On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:36 PM, wrote: > Rus

Re: [FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread lrudolph
Russ asks: > Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, > two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than saying > that there are force fields that exert forces, how does the electromagnetic > force accomplish its effects. What is the interface/link/

[FRIAM] How do forces work?

2013-04-19 Thread Russ Abbott
Yesterday I asked this questionon StackExchange: physics. Is there a mechanistic-type explanation for how forces work? For example, two electrons repel each other. How does that happen? Other than