Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

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Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
I'm not contradicting myself at all - in fact, *you* are the exact type of person I'm talking about. You couldn't give a rat's ass about the industry or anyone but yourself. Nothing you have ever done has been "valuable" to anyone other than you; it has been completely self-serving egotistical bu

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread Stefan Kanthak
"Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: > I must not have articulated my point properly as it looks like we are both > saying the same thing. No, we still disagree. > What I was trying to convey was that if a person was actually concerned > about the "industry" as opposed to self-promotion and ego-substa

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 14:07:52 +0200, "Stefan Kanthak" said: > The "industry" will (typically) not fix any error if the cost for fixing > exceeds the loss (or revenue) that this fix creates, including the vendors > gain/loss of reputation, gain/loss of stock value, loss of money in court > cases or d

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 02:07:52PM +0200, Stefan Kanthak wrote: > "Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: > > | Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===0734760750==" > > Please stop posting anything but text/plain. > > > If you really care about the security of the industry, then submit i

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread Stefan Kanthak
"Thor (Hammer of God)" wrote: | Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===0734760750==" Please stop posting anything but text/plain. > If you really care about the security of the industry, then submit it and > be done with it. If and when they fix it is up to them. OUCH!? The "

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-09 Thread Kurt Ellzey
>vendors know better, the messenger is guilty. >design flaws are hard and expensive to fix, lol. >there is time for fixing and there is time for breaking any vendor will tell you. "There are never any flaws- they are not bugs, they're features!" ___ Fu

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-08 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
I must not have articulated my point properly as it looks like we are both saying the same thing. What I was trying to convey was that if a person was actually concerned about the "industry" as opposed to self-promotion and ego-substantiation, then they would just notify the vendors and then get o

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-08 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Michal Zalewski wrote: >> Wikipedia says 5 months: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsible_disclosure > > Well, the encyclopedia has spoken. So it's settled then. > :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: htt

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-08 Thread Michal Zalewski
> Wikipedia says 5 months: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsible_disclosure Well, the encyclopedia has spoken. So it's settled then. /mz ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted an

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-08 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 12:30:09PM -0400, Kurt Ellzey wrote: > >vendors know better, the messenger is guilty. > >design flaws are hard and expensive to fix, lol. > >there is time for fixing and there is time for breaking any vendor will > tell you. > > > "There are never any flaws- they are not b

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-07 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
>there is time for fixing and there is time for breaking Ecclesiastes in the Hacker's Bible? :0 > ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-07 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 01:24:44PM -0400, Peter Dawson wrote: > Thor (Hammer of God) : > > so if vendor don't fix it /ack the bug.. then what ?? > Responsibility works both ways.. Advise the vendor.. if they say fuck it.. > I say fuck u.. and will advise the community ! > > There is a responsibi

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Gary Baribault
zed publicly for > some fame or whatever, just FD it because chances are you will > anyway. If you really care about the security of the industry, > then submit it and be done with it. If and when they fix it is up > to them. > > t > > > > From

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Laurelai
than what it is. > > t > > > > From: Peter Dawson mailto:slash...@gmail.com>> > Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 10:24 AM > To: Timothy Mullen mailto:t...@hammerofgod.com>> > Cc: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk > <mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
om>> Cc: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk<mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>" mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug? Thor (Hammer of God) : so if vendor don't fix it /ack the bug.. the

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Peter Dawson
tely awesome). > > It is all about intent: if you want to be recognized publicly for some > fame or whatever, just FD it because chances are you will anyway. If you > really care about the security of the industry, then submit it and be done > with it. If and when they fix it is

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
Baribault mailto:g...@baribault.net>> Date: Friday, July 6, 2012 7:59 AM To: "full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk<mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>" mailto:full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Gary Baribault
Hey Georgi, Didn't take your happy pill this morning? I would say that the answer depends on how the owner/company answers you, if you feel that their stringing you along and you have given them some time, then warn them that your publishing, give them 24 hours and then go for it. Obvious

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 10:49:18PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote: > After having reported a security-relevant bug about a smartphone, how long > would > you wait for the vendor to fix it? What are typical times? > > I remember telling someone about a security-relevant bug in his library some > time > a

Re: [Full-disclosure] How much time is appropriate for fixing a bug?

2012-07-06 Thread Philipp Hagemeister
Realistically, it will take at least a month to go from security to development through QA and release (in your case probably twice, because it may have to go through the carrier's QA/release). Wikipedia says 5 months: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsible_disclosure - Philipp On 07/04/2012 1