答复: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Binzy Wu
Personally I really don't like this kind comparison. It's really based on your context and requirements. Even if using .Net, there are lots of ways to use it. The best thing I like PHP is PHP doesn't need to be complied. It's dynamic language, and doesn't have many restrictions, and I've used php f

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Dinh
.NET means many things. I guess that you want to make a choice between ASP.NET and Zend Framework. It depends on what operating system you are planning to deploy applications on. You should stick with ASP.NET if you use Windows extensively. For me, LAMP is a better, more powerful alternative to Win

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Federico Galassi
On 06/ott/07, at 23:00:25, rogeson wrote: Hi Alex, Thanks for your input. I'm very familiar with all of the .Net justifications, what I'm looking for here are the benefits of PHP +ZF. I, PHP/ZF leaves you in control of situation. I don't work with .net but i had a chance to give a look at a

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Dinh
ASP.NET is not a MVC framework. I just call it a messy framework. :D Premature open sourced software is root of evil :D Moreover, Microsoft does not open source .NET or ASP.NET , they only show some source for fun. Who cares unimportant source codes :D On 10/7/0

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Parnell
Here at work we have a tech that writes the apps for Human Resources with .NET; but we, the web developers, are all on LAMP... So, they can coexist, but for web-development it is kind of a no brainer; PHP is free, easy to install, comprehensive, and has a truly massive audience. Other alternative

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Karol Grecki
Dan, That sounds very reasonable. With PHP you get freedom and flexibility. In my experience few people take .NET seriously in web development. I bet it's a great platform and a good choice if you're a large enterprise already using this technology and only looking to add web interface to the exi

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread rogeson
Hi Karol, Yes, you are very right about that. Part of what I see as a problem with the .Net apps we've been building is that we have to then move our customers over to Microsoft servers, or run apps on multiple servers if they're already on *nix. I also think that .Net is quite a good framework,

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread rogeson
Alex Netkachov wrote: > > BTW: MS will make .NET source code available to debug in next version > of Visual Studio: http://www.alexatnet.com/node/87 > I didn't know that - great move on Microsofts part! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/.Net-or-Zend-Framework--tf4580976

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Karol Grecki
Alex, What's faster about .NET? Execution time? Even if that's true it hardly matters in web application. On average 95% is spend on http requests and frontend. With .NET you are more likely to end up with a bloated site, harder to tweak because you have less low level control over it. So the end

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread rogeson
Hi Alex, Thanks for your input. I'm very familiar with all of the .Net justifications, what I'm looking for here are the benefits of PHP+ZF. I, personally, have already made the decision that PHP+ZF is better for these reasons: 1. Community 2. Platform/DB independence 3. Beautiful MVC architectur

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Martin Martinov
Yes, it's simple as hell - using .net you become a slave. ZF/php == freedom. Not to mention that IMHO php scales much better.. :) On 06/10/2007, Parnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it is so much .Net vs ZF becaust .Net in itself is a > pretty cool framework. > > The uncool part is:

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Karol Grecki
Roger, You didn't say what you're building. You should always use the best tool for the job. You also need to take other people skills into consideration. Don't push PHP if all your developers are proficient in .NET and don't know or like PHP. The answer to you question will greatly depend who y

Re: [fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Alex Netkachov
On 10/6/07, Parnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think it is so much .Net vs ZF becaust .Net in itself is a > pretty cool framework. > > The uncool part is: > > A) not open source BTW: MS will make .NET source code available to debug in next version of Visual Studio: http://www.alexatnet.co

[fw-general] re: .net or zend framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Parnell
I don't think it is so much .Net vs ZF becaust .Net in itself is a pretty cool framework. The uncool part is: A) not open source B) dependent on IIS and MSSQL PHP + ZF is: A) open source (free and large community if any examples/help is needed) B) can be run in just about any server environment

Re: [fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread Alex Netkachov
Hello, I prefer to use .NET for complex long-term project when development is similar to RUP and PHP for "always-prototype" startups. Sincerely, Alex On 10/6/07, rogeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is of course a no-brainer to me, but my current task is to convince the > company I work f

[fw-general] .Net or Zend Framework?

2007-10-06 Thread rogeson
This is of course a no-brainer to me, but my current task is to convince the company I work for to build our next product using the Zend Framework instead of .Net, and there are a lot of .Net enthusiasts here. Does anybody have any good arguments as to how and why using PHP and the Zend Framework

Re: [fw-general] Zend_Date chaining methods

2007-10-06 Thread Thomas Weidner
Hy Yann, chaining would make no sense for Zend_Date. Most methods return a textual date or date value. And setTimezone which you wrote in your example is even not member of Zend_Date but of it's SuperClass. It would not be possible to return the actual Zend_Date with this method. But there ar

Re: [fw-general] Can't delete my index entries with Zend_Search_Lucene

2007-10-06 Thread Vincent
On 05/10/2007, Rob Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Did you commit() after loop? You see? I said so it would be a stupid mistake... Thanks! Regards, > > Rob... > > Vincent wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am currently working on this website whe

[fw-general] Zend_Date chaining methods

2007-10-06 Thread Yann Nave
Is there some issue to have chaining methods in Zend_Date ? Like : $date = new Zend_date; $date->set()->setTimezone(); etc.. -- Yannux http://blog.onbebop.net

[fw-general] RE: RE: Database - relations

2007-10-06 Thread debussy007
* In the code you write for your Model class, you might create instances * of one or more classes that each extend Zend_Db_Table_Abstract. Query * these objects, fetch the results you need, combine them into the best * structure that is easily utilized by your View scripts, and return the * aggre