Anyone know what the cost of the game Shades of Doom is?
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Hi all,
I am working on a new revision of BGT, and am planning the new set of features
that I would like to include in this release. I want to get a general idea of
what features the users want the most, and so I'm sending out an email to ask
for your ideas. A few things that I have planned
Hi Paulette,
Yes Ma'am, I started learning and creating games in 1980. Then I got my first
talking computer in December of 1989, so have been creating blind accessible
games ever since. That is how I have been able to create so many of them.
As of now, I do not have an IPhone or Mac
Hi Keith,
Rather than just give you the price of one game I try to keep a list of all
game prices on my site at,
http://www.pcsgames.net/prices.htm
On that list you will find, in US dollars,
35.00 Shades of Doom version 1.2,
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You can find out all about it here,
http://www.gmagames.com/
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Jim, your games are amazing!
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:59:01 -0400, Jim Kitchen wrote:
Hi Paulette,
Yes Ma'am, I started learning and creating games in 1980. Then I got my first
talking computer in December of 1989, so have been creating blind accessible
games ever since. That is how I have
Think your thought on keyboards is past. Apple has with iPad and a
lot of tablet makers are all touch, even the new Toshiba netbook is
touch screen keyboard.
At 01:39 AM 4/23/2012, you wrote:
Well, I can agree with that. I can at least highly respect Apple for
taking the extra step and
uh, it already tells you who came in first second third and so on.
what more do you want? if your not getting this, i would try
reinstalling it.
dallas
On 23/04/2012, joseph weakland josephweakl...@att.net wrote:
hello to the developers of topspeed3. This is joseph weakland. I am an avid
Hi Charles,
Well, I can definitely say that Freedom Scientific is full of crap.
Window-Eyes does a fairly decent job of following the mouse and
identifying what is under the mouse pointer so I don't see why Jaws
couldn't do it. I think its Freedom Scientific's view that following the
mouse
Hi Paulette.
Bfn = bye for now, rather like tigger the tigers' favourite saying, ttfn, ta
ta for now! :D.
As to Jim developing for the Iphone I'm not sure, since I believe he writes
his games in the visual basic programming language 6 which the Iphone
certainly doesn't support.
Don't let
Hi Dark,
Sure. I love organization as well. If you looked at my Windows 7 laptop,
which I'm using currently, you would discover my icons in the start menu
are are all sorted and organized accordingly.
For example, if you click on All Programs you'll find a submenu called
Games. Under Games
It's 35 usd.
Actually it's a little strange that the only place it says so on the website
is in the online ordering page, not on the games page, though i believe it
also says so in the manual.
All the best,
dark.
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Hi.
I know Paulette was looking for the colossal cave. It can be played online at
http://www.ifiction.org/games/index.php?cat=1 along with lots of other
Interactive fiction games.
Also however, an updated version for the tads interpreter is available. You can
download the game, and the
Hi Shaun,
Well, if there is one constant in the universe it is change. nothing
stays the same forever. The people who can't change will always be hit
the hardest, because they are unable or simply unwilling to change their
ways. Although, there are usually some alternative that helps make
Hi Shaun,
Actually, you can't copy icons to the desktop in Windows 8. The desktop
is basically an empty window for displaying your walpaper. The
alternative solution is to pin an app or program to your taskbar.
On 4/23/2012 12:43 AM, shaun everiss wrote:
Well the columns are not to bad
Hi,
Cononical the maker of Ubuntu Linux does. A lot of work has gone into
the Ubuntu 12 beta to improve screen reader access over the last month
of testing and I can say 12.04 is several times more accessible than
11.10 was six months ago. So you could add Cononical to your list of
software
Hi Keith,
Its $35.00 USD last time I checked.
Cheers!
On 4/23/2012 2:24 AM, Keith S. wrote:
Anyone know what the cost of the game Shades of Doom is?
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yes i get that but what i mean is you know how when you play against
computer players when one of the computer players finishes first it tells
you wich one won? whydon't the multiplayer mode do likewise. also when race
is over in computer player mode then it tells place results to
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ahh so your meaning a realtime anouncement of cars ariving at the
finish line, rather then just at the end of a race?
thats actually a good idea.
dallas
On 23/04/2012, joseph weakland josephweakl...@att.net wrote:
yes i get that but what i mean is you know how when you play against
computer
yes it would be cool if they could integrate both things in multiplayer mode
if you get my meaning now:)
also if you have skype you may add me with
joeweakland1027
if you use zello you can add
HarmonicaPlayer and my channel joesplace
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I am just getting into playing interactive fiction and was wondering if
there was a way of changing the TTS voice from Anna? She is too soft spoken
for me.
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Subject: [Audyssey] Colossal cave
Hi everyone. thanks for the pricing info on shades of doom. My next question,
to those who have played it, is it worth the $35.00?
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What is this swamp game?
Paulette
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last day for the Swamp fan fiction competition!
Hi all,
Could someone please tell me what is involved in writing, making or
composing, whatever you call it, a game? The idea of doing it sounds
intriguing.
Paulette
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Hi Kieth.
first off, I'd recommend you go and listen to Kelly sepergia's review, or
indeed several other reviews of the game of which there are a number
(checkout the audiogames.net entry for shades for some links), that will
give you a better idea what it's about.
As to the game itself,
Hi Paulette.
Swamp is an online multiplayer zombi shooter, where you walk around in full
360 segrees with many other players online doing missions and quests, and
fighting hoards of zombies, though you don't fight other players, just
complete missions and blast the undead. The clever
Shawn, it sounds like you know a lot about computers from way back. You know
now, they make you pay money and get degrees in what you learned how to do
by the seat of your pants and your well worn boot straps. My husband feels
the same way. He is a MIS, manager of information systems. He is not
Hi Paulette.
writing, or more properly programming a game is a rather difficult
process, and requires time and skill.
What you essentially need to do is write up some code, that is instructions
in a specially formatted language that the computer will follow and thus
create your game.
Hi all,
I know that I have asked this before, but I really like playing the Colossal
Cave game and playing it on my iPhone is driving me crazy! It just won't
respond to my commands most of the time and I can't even get it to recognize
the magic word, Plugh. I have found a couple of places online
Shades of Doom costs $30 on PCS games. Yay, finally, I could answer a
question on this list. Smile.
Paulette
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Hi Philip,
What is, BGT? Thanks.
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:44 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] BGT - Most wanted features?
Hi all,
I
Hi Jim,
You give me hope. Do you play Colossal Cave on an old dos computer, or do
you have it on your Windows computer that has Windows.
I know that you are a man, so I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I
wish that there were more female oriented games out there. I don't know what
I mean
Hi,
Sure. Just change the default Sapi voice in the Windows control panel.
Cheers!
On 4/23/2012 10:19 AM, MamaPeach wrote:
I am just getting into playing interactive fiction and was wondering
if there was a way of changing the TTS voice from Anna? She is too
soft spoken for me.
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Hi Dark,
I have Window Eyes and I use the Eloquence voice. Do you mean that I should
get a good sapi voice besides the Eloquence voice?
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:09
Hi Keith,
Definitely. Shades of Doom is one of my favorite accessible games. Its
one of the first games to truly explore the first-person shooter format
by cloning a game like Doom by ID software and making it available in an
audio only format. Of course, don't take my word for it and play
My humble apologies. I said that from memory, because I just saw it the
other day and thought that I knew the price. I stand corrected.
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 8:22
Wow! Yay! Wooo! Wooo! Dark, here is a great big virtual kiss from me. I will
go there right now and check it out. Thanks so much for taking the time to
look for and find this link. You are my virtual hero! Smile.
Paulette
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Hi Keith,
Shades of Doom was developed in 1999, so is a bit old when it comes to
quality and abundance of sounds.
Back then it was sold on I think, five floppy disks so had to be small
enough to fit on them.
The first level is the demo level and you can try it out for free to see if
you really
actually, while we're discussing shades, i would like to mention a mod by a
guy known as locutus, who you may or may not know. but if you want the mod
i'll be glad to send you it.
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Hi Paulette,
Well, developing a game requires several different skills and goes
through several stages of development beyond just programming. Here is a
basic outline of the process.
1. You have an idea for a game. You start by writing a back story for
the game, flush out the principle
I have tried doing that. Anna is the only one showing, even though I have
others installed. I was able to switch voices when I was using an XP
machine, but I can't now that I am using a windows 7, 64 bit machine.
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Hi,
BGT stands for Blastbay Game Toolkit. Its a game engine, a toolkit,
developed by Philip Bennefall to help simplify the process of developing
audio games for the blind. He wrote all the low level code for audio,
networking, input, etc into BGT and then exposes that functionality
through
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Hi, I'd say it is well worth the money! It's my favourite accessible
shooter game, and has amazing replay value. There's also loads you can do
with the cheat codes, and quite a few different ways to play the game. It
also has a very good
Hi Momma Peach,
Smile. There is an easy fix for that. press Windows+r, and when the run
dialog comes up type this command
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl
into the run dialog and press enter. Now, select the 32-bit voice you
want set as your default on Win 7.
Cheers!
On
Hi Dark,
Definitely. When I began developing my own game engine I used the GMA
engine as a guide. Obviously, I didn't copy it outright but some of the
concepts are the same such as using f1 to bring up a menu of hot keys,
similar navigation aids, having markers, and other things like that
Not sure if you can save the game or not. I've never seen a walk through of
the game.
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SERI is still in beta stage. It works for some things, but not others. I
wouldn't use it in noisy environments for sure. Even in a car or bus,
there's probably too much external noise for SERI to work as well as it does
in a quiet room.
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Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a
Hi,
But this goes back to what I was saying, not only do you have to learn
a new set of commands and a new operating system, but a completely new
way to interact with a device as well. There's not only the operating
system to learn, which is difficult in itself, but all this stuff like
when to
Nice. LOL.
Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca!
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] the touch screen of i devices - Re: LWorks
I just got the
Hi Paulette, that is exactly right, though i will confess the colossal cave
rather got on my whick since I just find those sorts of puzzles more
frustrating than anything else, since the logic required to solve them is
just not reasonable much of the time, though wandering around the cave was
Well I have a friend that works in an a school environment.
A blind student was using an ipad his teacher wanted him to use a
laptop because a touch screen was not accessable.
My family even say a touch screen is inaccessable for me even though
at least for the iphone its not totally the case
Yes, quite probably. I'm not sure if eloquence will work with microsoft sapi
(go and have a look at the speech setting in the control panel of your
windows machine and see if the voice shows up in the selection).
if it doesn't, you'll be stuck with the microsoft default, which aren't
The fan fiction submissions are posted and everyone will have 1 week to cast
their votes. :D
http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/fanfiction.html
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I believe in windows 7 64 bit, many of the older voices won't work,
thank you again microsoft, but I'll leave someone else to answer since
obviously I still have xp so haven't had this problem as yet.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Hi Desiree,
Good point. I understand where you are coming from, and for the most
part you are write.
When learning to use an iPad or iPhone with a touchscreen its not just
learning iOS, but a totally new and different input method than we are
use to which makes it more difficult. That's a
Thanks so much, this worked perfectly.
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:42 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Colossal cave adventure
Hi Momma Peach,
Smile. There is an easy fix for that. press Windows+r, and when the run
dialog
Hi Dark,
Actually, they usually do work but you have to use the 32-bit Sapi
settings dialog which isn't available from the standard control panel.
Instead you have to launch the Sapi settings manually from the run
dialog and then you can configure the 32-bit voices under Windows 7 for
games
will you make single player missions in swamp or will it always be a
multiplayer only game?
will look at these stories
On 23 Apr 2012, at 17:06, Jeremy Kaldobsky wrote:
The fan fiction submissions are posted and everyone will have 1 week to cast
their votes. :D
Definitely worth it if zombies/mutant and guns are your thing. It kept me
entertained for at least three years- so $35 for three years of fun? sure
thing!
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Hi all, my girl friend was trying to download Strip War. After she runs or
saves the game she gets the following.
c:\program files\kitchensinc\winwar.exe is not a valid win32 aplication.
okay button
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I'd love it.
hea...@mchsi.com
Thanks
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of
will sort out soon man, don't worry.
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I'd love it.
hea...@mchsi.com
Hi try redownloading the game and reinstalling it.
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 9:59 AM
Subject: [Audyssey] Strip War
Hi all, my girl friend was trying to download Strip
I too only have Ms. Anna and also wish the same thing.
Many Many Thanks.
To bad there aren't any other free voices that will run in the world of the
64 bit.
Do bad that all of those voices that came on a disk with I think it was Jaws
version six couldn't be rewritten to work in the world of the
How do we do that when all we have is Anna?
Thanks.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey]
for some reason, Ms. anna is the only voice that will work in the world of
the 64 bit processor.
What a shame.
I miss Samantha.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
that a service dog beats a cane paws down any day of the week.
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Sent: Monday,
Hi, what is GTC?
I'm kind of new to the audio game world. I've played trivia games from Jim
Kitchen, and the games from Babisoft, but other than that, I'm totally at a
loss. Been a member of this group for a while.
KEith
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gma tank commander, read the site it tells you all about the games
On 23 Apr 2012, at 18:18, Keith S. wrote:
Hi, what is GTC?
I'm kind of new to the audio game world. I've played trivia games from Jim
Kitchen, and the games from Babisoft, but other than that, I'm totally at a
loss.
GTC is an abreviation for GMA Tank Commander, another game from GMA Games.
Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca!
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:18 AM
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Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of
No, I have several of them working now, thanks to help from Thomas. If you
do as he instructed, you can get others to work.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Colossal cave adventure
for some
You have to have other TTS voices installed.
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How do we do that when all we have is Anna?
Thanks.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who
Well, if there is a way to get those old voices that were on the one dvd
disk that came with the one version of Jwasw to work in the 64 bit world?
I'd be greatful.
Because at the present time I only have access to Ms. Anna.
Thanks for writing back.
Ron and current Leader Dog boz who states
Hi Dark,
I went there and actually found the game, just like it used to be, except
that you now have to use edit boxes. But that isn't a problem. I did have to
do a bit of searching to find the site, though. The link you gave me did not
take me to the adventure game. It talked about an
Thanks dark, for the swamp game information and link.
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Last day for the Swamp fan
Hey Tom.
Is it really that easy?
Can we just simply install the voices from the old disk that came with jaws.
Then to get the old favorites of the old 16 bit voices to work in the 64 bit
world is to use the run command and plug in the command
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\Speech\SpeechUX\sapi.cpl
Could
Hi Dark,
Thanks so much for your information about programming games. It sounds a bit
daunting, but I think that if I really put my mind to it, I could get it
done, with a lot of help from my friends. Smile. About your philosophy
thesis, I know you can get it done. As the song says, just knuckle
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Hi Dark, or anyone who can help,
I am playing the cave adventure game with a cheat sheet. I died and got lost
so many times when I used to play the game on Compuserv, that I want to play
and win now, even though I am using a walk through. Well, my walk through
says that when I find the gold
Thanks Phil for your explanation of game designing. I thought that I could
just purchase the kit and after a bit of learning and fiddling, program a
game. I don't think that I will be doing that any time soon. But the idea is
something to think about. I might try it in the future. So, to sum up, I
William, my current focus is on the game's multiplayer. I originally planned
to work on a single player campaign so there is still a good chance of that
happening at some point.
will you make single player missions
in swamp or will it always be a multiplayer only game?
will look at these
William, my current focus is on the game's multiplayer. I originally planned
to work on a single player campaign so there is still a good chance of that
happening at some point.
will you make single player missions
in swamp or will it always be a multiplayer only game?
will look at these
Hi Tom,
So, do you think that someone like me who doesn't know anything about game
creation could create a game using this kit and purchasing the sounds, etc.,
that would be needed for the game?
Paulette
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What is GTC? Thanks.
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom...your thoughts?
Hi all,
Does anyone know if the game producer, Bavisoft, is still around? I have
both of the games they did several years ago, Grizzly Gulch and Chillingham.
I never have been able to really get around Chillingham. I haven't heard of
the company in a long time. Have they done anything else?
nothing off them for years
On 23 Apr 2012, at 20:02, Paulette Vickery wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone know if the game producer, Bavisoft, is still around? I have
both of the games they did several years ago, Grizzly Gulch and Chillingham.
I never have been able to really get around
GMA tank commander.
www.gmagames.com
has allt eh info
it all out there jus have to lolok for it
On 23 Apr 2012, at 19:57, Paulette Vickery wrote:
What is GTC? Thanks.
Paulette
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the tutorials taht comew ith the blastbay game toolkit (bgt) are good starting
point
On 23 Apr 2012, at 19:49, Paulette Vickery wrote:
Thanks Phil for your explanation of game designing. I thought that I could
just purchase the kit and after a bit of learning and fiddling, program a
game. I
Hi Paulette,
It's difficult to say. A friend of mine who had next to no prior programming
knowledge managed to pick up the kit and make a small game after about 4 or
5 days, but for some other people it has taken over a year; sometimes even
longer. So it is a very individual thing whether
Thanks Philip, for the kit link. I will check it out.
Paulette
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BGT - Most wanted
If you're willing to move slowly with it at first and fail a few times
before you finally strike something that works then certainly. The key is
not to go in expecting to develop games right away, but to learn the
language. THe best way to do that is to try and make it do small things like
Unfortunately we don't.
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Subject: [Audyssey] Bavisoft
Hi all,
Does anyone know if the game
Greetings Philip et al.
I do have to put my vote in for gamepad/joystick support, particularly with
an X-Input sway, since that seems to be the way hardware developers are
making their products.
I also wonder if there's any way to take advantage of DSP processing in the
BGT sound API, so
Who knows, when/if you do the single player stories some of these fictions
may ome in handy.
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- Original Message -
From: Paulette Vickery paule...@evickery.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: [Audyssey] Bavisoft
Hi all,
Hello Kai,
I will be looking into the XInput API at the same time as I do joystick
support. I have to check what kind of dependencies this would add, but I
don't think it should be a problem to include.
As for dsp, this is tricky. On Windows Xp, hardware acceleration is enabled
for
Ah, fair enough. As I said, I've not got any version of windows 7 so am just
going on what other people have said thus far.
Beware the Grue!
Dark.
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday, April 23,
Hi Kieth.
gtc stands for gma tank commander, and is another game from Gma games. the
controls are similar to shades of doom, but the setting, and play of the
game are utterly different since your piloting a tank and taking out
choppers, enemy tanks, gun implacements and other military
Hi Paulette.
the link I gave was to the page on the Ifiction site where the adventure
game started, along with several others.
That is a site that lets you play various if titles online, so is worth
searching if you enjoy interactive fiction, - though I must admit I tend
to prefer
Well aprone doesn't really have a major site for his games with information,
so I gave you the link to the audiogames.net entry for swamp, where you can
both download and read about the game.
As I said, audiogames.net along with pcs games are great places to find out
what is available in
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