Re: Update to GCC copyright assignment policy

2021-06-01 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-06-01 07:28, Mark Wielaard wrote: Hi David, On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 10:00 -0400, David Edelsohn via Gcc wrote: The GCC Steering Committee has decided to relax the requirement to assign copyright for all changes to the Free Software Foundation. GCC will continue to be developed, distrib

Re: GCC 11.1 Release Candidate available from gcc.gnu.org

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-20 18:08, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:43 PM David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:23 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 17:09, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:52 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 15:25, David Edelsohn via

Re: GCC 11.1 Release Candidate available from gcc.gnu.org

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-20 18:08, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:43 PM David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:23 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 17:09, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:52 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 15:25, David Edelsohn via

Re: GCC 11.1 Release Candidate available from gcc.gnu.org

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-20 17:23, Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 17:09, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:52 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 15:25, David Edelsohn via Gcc wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:43 PM Jakub Jelinek via Gcc wrote: The first release candidate for

Re: GCC 11.1 Release Candidate available from gcc.gnu.org

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-20 17:09, David Edelsohn wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 7:52 PM Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-20 15:25, David Edelsohn via Gcc wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:43 PM Jakub Jelinek via Gcc wrote: The first release candidate for GCC 11.1 is available from https

Re: GCC 11.1 Release Candidate available from gcc.gnu.org

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-20 15:25, David Edelsohn via Gcc wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:43 PM Jakub Jelinek via Gcc wrote: The first release candidate for GCC 11.1 is available from https://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/11.1.0-RC-20210420/ ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/snapshots/11.1.0-RC-20210420 and s

Re: removing toxic emailers

2021-04-19 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-18 23:29, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: On Mon, 19 Apr 2021, 02:41 Frosku, wrote: On Sun Apr 18, 2021 at 9:22 PM BST, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: That's why it's best to dissent politely, lest they incorrectly conclude their opinions are consensual, or majoritary, just because

Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate

2021-04-18 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-18 00:38, Christopher Dimech via Gcc wrote: Listen very carefully - In the first quarter of 2011, Keith Chuvala began discussing the need to drop all proprietary systems used to command the ISS. He specifically mentioned products from Microsoft and Red Hat. This was communicated to

Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate

2021-04-18 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-17 20:10, Christopher Dimech via Gcc wrote: You have specified that the community does not require my approval or that of Eric Raymond. That is true of course. But many have gone through so much new age training that they ended up with a very sophisticated way of bullshitting them

Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate

2021-04-17 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-17 12:08, Christopher Dimech wrote: Thomas, So we are decided? I am not pushing anybody down the cliff - rms, you or anybody. I simply wish that after a few world wars, people start seeing the light and things will be somewhat blissed out working on free software. In a lot of w

Re: A suggestion for going forward from the RMS/FSF debate

2021-04-17 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-17 10:40, Ville Voutilainen via Gcc wrote: On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 20:31, Christopher Dimech wrote: I do not see people really intending to fork. It explains why detractors have gone berserk. I appreciate your colorful exaggerations, but I should point out that the libstdc++ ma

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-11 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-11 16:29, Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-11 15:23, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Apr 11, 2021, Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-11 12:30, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: AFAIK, you actually have no real say on who the company to whom you sold your services assigns *their* copyrights

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-11 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-11 15:23, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Apr 11, 2021, Thomas Rodgers wrote: On 2021-04-11 12:30, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: AFAIK, you actually have no real say on who the company to whom you sold your services assigns *their* copyrights to. That statement is certainly not true

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-11 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-11 12:30, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: On Apr 11, 2021, David Malcolm via Gcc wrote: I don't want to be in an environment where, it turns out, the leader of the non-profit that owns copyright on the bulk of the last 8 years of my work, and controls the license on the bulk of my

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-10 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-10 09:01, Giacomo Tesio wrote: It's fantastic how inclusive you are, isn't it? :-D Indeed you ARE inclusive to those who share your interests, like Nathan. Just not to everybody else. I share with Nathan an interest in making GCC the best C++ compiler and standard library, and

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-10 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-10 08:54, Christopher Dimech wrote: <...snip...> If you create a very pleasant wonderful atmosphere, everybody behaves wonderfully. If you create an unpleasant atmosphere, a whole lot of people act nasty. That's how it is. This is crux of it really. For many RMS has very much cre

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-10 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-09 14:34, Christopher Dimech wrote: On the contrary, I eagerly await each and every one of your missives on this topic, hoping for exactly that very thing to occur. I do not see how you and your friends at redhat could really get any value from it, because being a seeker of truth

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-10 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-10 05:35, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2021, 12:57 Pankaj Jangid, wrote: Jonathan Wakely via Gcc writes: You are clueless about what the SC actually does, or the control they have over GCC. I think, it would be great help if someone can document what the SC does.

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-09 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-09 14:02, Christopher Dimech wrote: But you seem too ignorant to introspect the likelihood that I could in effect have many valuable things to say. On the contrary, I eagerly await each and every one of your missives on this topic, hoping for exactly that very thing to occur.

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-09 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-09 11:02, Christopher Dimech via Gcc wrote: [... snip ...] We (the free software world) does not need a person with the qualities of RMS any more - that is the point. There should not be such a position as "Chief GNUsance". Secondly, I cannot clearly see what status you have for ma

Re: GCC association with the FSF

2021-04-08 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-04-08 10:22, Giacomo Tesio wrote: No, David, On April 8, 2021 3:00:57 PM UTC, David Brown wrote: (And yes, I mean FOSS here, not just free software.) you are not talking about Free Software, but Open Source. FOSS, as a term, has been very successful to spread confusion. his at

Re: RMS removed from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-31 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-03-31 17:04, Giacomo Tesio wrote: Hi Jeff, thanks for fixing your affiliation, but let me note that it doesn't change a dime for the geopolitical-diversity issue that affects GCC since before RMS joined the Steering Committee. Not to argue counter to the observation that there is cle

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-29 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-03-29 17:39, Christopher Dimech via Gcc wrote: You might say that the fullness of Thomas Jefferson's legacy should be acknowledged, but he did a bit more with his life than own slaves, just as the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. did more with his time on earth than cheat on his wife and

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-03-26 15:53, Hi-Angel via Gcc wrote: Hello! I don't know all the details, and it surprises me nobody is asking for them. Let me be the first. A cursory reading of the top of Nathan's email states the reason for not including the URLs, but ~half of the cited points come from Stallman'

Re: 1-800-GIT-HELP

2020-01-13 Thread Thomas Rodgers
Thomas Rodgers writes: > I am also happy to help > rodgertq on freenode and oftc > Jonathan Wakely writes: > >> I imagine a lot of people are going to feel lost in the first few >> weeks of using Git. >> >> If you are stuck or confused about usin

Re: 1-800-GIT-HELP

2020-01-13 Thread Thomas Rodgers
I am also happy to help Jonathan Wakely writes: > I imagine a lot of people are going to feel lost in the first few > weeks of using Git. > > If you are stuck or confused about using Git for GCC development and > too embarrassed to ask in public, feel free to contact me on IRC. I'm > jwakely on O

Re: 1-800-GIT-HELP

2020-01-13 Thread Thomas Rodgers
Paul Smith writes: > On Mon, 2020-01-13 at 11:33 +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: >> I imagine a lot of people are going to feel lost in the first few >> weeks of using Git. > > I don't do IRC (and I'm not a GCC dev :)) but I'm happy to help via email. > > One thing I'll say though: if you're an Em

Re: Public discussions on GNU Project governance.

2019-10-23 Thread Thomas Rodgers
Is it ok to say Carlos is f'n awesome? You know, to keep it positive :) Carlos O'Donell writes: > GNU Maintainers, developers, volunteers, etc., > > This relates to all of our projects and how they operate. Please take > a minute and look over this email. > > This is an invitation to a public dis

Re: Are the extended algorithms in the header file going to be supported by gcc ?

2018-07-10 Thread Thomas Rodgers
icient parallelism is actually super-needed in a > world where fast, simple ed efficient software is paramount, when do you > reasonably foresee GCC9 shipping containing the C++17 parallel algorithms? > > Marco > > Il giorno lun 21 mag 2018 alle ore 14:32 Thomas Rodgers > ha scritto: &g

Re: Are the extended algorithms in the header file going to be supported by gcc ?

2018-05-17 Thread Thomas Rodgers
There is work ongoing to complete C++17 support in libstdc++, this includes providing support for the C++17 parallel algorithms. Marco Ippolito writes: > Hi, > > the good book "C++17 STL Cookbook" in chapter 9 "Parallelism and > Concurrency" describes some of the 69 algorithms that were extended