Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-28 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
On Sun, 28 Mar 2021, 13:50 Mark Wielaard, wrote: > RMS actively undermines those who try to make our community a little > bit more welcoming. Violating anti-harassment policies of > conferences. Even those from the FSF by claiming to be above those > policies because of his leadership position

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-28 Thread Mark Wielaard
Alexandre, Making our community more welcoming is indeed a process. And some steps will just be symbolic. But I don't believe removing RMS from (perceived) leadership positions in the GNU project and from the FSF is just symbolic. And even for a symbolic step it is a powerful one. It shows we

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Christopher Dimech via Gcc
) - Geophysical Simulation - Geological Subsurface Mapping - Disaster Preparedness and Mitigation - Natural Resource Exploration and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 2:27 PM > From: "Óscar Fuentes" > To: gcc@gcc.gnu.org > Subject: Re: Remove RMS

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Óscar Fuentes
This was meant to be sent by private e-mail. I'm sorry it was sent to the list by mistake, it was not my intention to stir this debate. I invite everyone to keep discussing this topic in a cold-headed way. Specially, I'll like to see the base problem (lack of diversity) addresed, instead of its

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Óscar Fuentes
We on the West are on the brink of entering into a new cycle of social madness, fueled by Postmodern nonsense. Thank you for being brave enough to confront the self-righteous mob, and thank you for doing it with such equanimity and eloquence. Alexandre Oliva via Gcc writes: > Nathan, > > I

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Christopher Dimech via Gcc
Software Advocacy > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 8:49 AM > From: "Martin Liška" > To: "Nathan Sidwell" , "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > > On 3/26/21 9:02 PM, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > > Dear

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Martin Jambor
Hi, On Fri, Mar 26 2021, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > > Dear members of the GCC Steering Committee (SC), I ask you to remove Richard > Stallman (RMS) from the SC, or, should you chose not to do so, make a clear > statement as to why he remains. > I wholeheartedly agree with Nathan. In a few weeks

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Andrea Corallo via Gcc
Didier Kryn writes: >     I'm terrified by this campaign of harassment against the person who > has given the biggest contribution to free software. FWIW I find this terrifying too. What scare me the most is that people supporting RMS are indeed scared of coming out publicly by the

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Martin Liška
On 3/26/21 9:02 PM, Nathan Sidwell wrote: Dear members of the GCC Steering Committee (SC),  I ask you to remove Richard Stallman (RMS) I do fully support Nathan's request. Martin

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Christopher Dimech via Gcc
and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 5:12 AM > From: "Siddhesh Poyarekar" > To: "Alexandre Oliva" , "Nathan Sidwell" > Cc: "GCC Development" > Subject: Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committe

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
On 3/27/21 7:08 PM, Alexandre Oliva via Gcc wrote: It may be very convenient to paint a boogey-man and expel it because that became fashionable. But sacrificing a goat or a lamb does not expiate our own sins, and expelling someone who hasn't even been present in the community can't be expected

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva via Gcc
On Mar 27, 2021, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > But listing his name on our web page as a leader of the project > surely makes a difference to how the project is perceived. You're probably right that it does, just maybe not quite in the way you seem to perceive it. The Free Software community is a

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
On Sat, 27 Mar 2021, 13:40 Alexandre Oliva via Gcc, wrote: > > What could support any rational belief that having RMS one extra level > removed from our technical community would bring about anything > resembling a solution to the very undesirable and unjust gender > imbalance you've correctly

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Alexandre Oliva via Gcc
Nathan, I think you identify an important problem of gender imbalance in our community. It is quite likely that finding ways to make our community more welcoming to demographic groups that are currently less present than in the distribution in the global population could reduce this imbalance.

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-27 Thread Didier Kryn
    I've been lurking on this list for a while but never contributed in any way to the project. Therefore I understand my voice has little weight.     I'm terrified by this campaign of harassment against the person who has given the biggest contribution to free software. This confirms to my eyes

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Thomas Rodgers
On 2021-03-26 15:53, Hi-Angel via Gcc wrote: Hello! I don't know all the details, and it surprises me nobody is asking for them. Let me be the first. A cursory reading of the top of Nathan's email states the reason for not including the URLs, but ~half of the cited points come from

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Hi-Angel via Gcc
Hello! I don't know all the details, and it surprises me nobody is asking for them. Let me be the first. On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 at 23:03, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > I’m a white dude with a British accent. > /Of course/ I have white male privilege. So, this text makes me feel sorry for the author, but

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread David Malcolm via Gcc
On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 20:51 +, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 20:03 Nathan Sidwell, wrote: > > > > > Dear members of the GCC Steering Committee (SC),  I ask you to > > remove > > Richard > > Stallman (RMS) from the SC, or, should you chose not to do so, make > > a > >

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 08:51:21PM +, Jonathan Wakely via Gcc wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 20:03 Nathan Sidwell, wrote: > > > > Dear members of the GCC Steering Committee (SC), I ask you to > > remove Richard Stallman (RMS) from the SC, or, should you chose > > not to do so, make a clear

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Marek Polacek via Gcc
On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 04:02:30PM -0400, Nathan Sidwell wrote: > [double sigh, attaching a pdf causes it to be blocked, and I guess the > number of URLs is also triggering a spam trap for the follow up. I have > removed many of the URLS from this, you'll have to use your google-fu for > sources.

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Jonathan Wakely via Gcc
On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 20:03 Nathan Sidwell, wrote: > > Dear members of the GCC Steering Committee (SC), I ask you to remove > Richard > Stallman (RMS) from the SC, or, should you chose not to do so, make a > clear > statement as to why he remains. > I second Nathan's request, and agree with

Re: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Christopher Dimech via Gcc
and Production - Free Software Advocacy > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 8:02 AM > From: "Nathan Sidwell" > To: "GCC Development" > Subject: Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee > > [double sigh, attaching a pdf causes it to be blocked, and I

Remove RMS from the GCC Steering Committee

2021-03-26 Thread Nathan Sidwell
[double sigh, attaching a pdf causes it to be blocked, and I guess the number of URLs is also triggering a spam trap for the follow up. I have removed many of the URLS from this, you'll have to use your google-fu for sources. I emailed several members of the SC, and don't want to bomb them

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