On Wednesday 05 December 2007 21:40:49 Dave N6NZ wrote:
> Kai-Martin Knaak wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:11:35 -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
> >> I tend to create symbols that have a predefined foot print and then only
> >> override it at the schemtic level when I need to.
> >
> > Me too.
>
> Me th
On Thursday 06 December 2007 00:02:11 Peter Clifton wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-12-05 at 12:43 -0800, Ben Jackson wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 11:11:35AM -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
> > > One way you can do this today is to at the schematic level add a
> > > footprint attribute to each symbol as you
On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:25 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote:
> On Friday 07 December 2007 23:52:05 John Doty wrote:
>
>> Right now, we, by default, reference light symbols in a common
>> library, and then attach attributes to them. That's wrong, too: if
>> I'm going to use a bunch of, say, OP220's in a desi
On Friday 07 December 2007 23:52:05 John Doty wrote:
> Right now, we, by default, reference light symbols in a common
> library, and then attach attributes to them. That's wrong, too: if
> I'm going to use a bunch of, say, OP220's in a design, I want all of
> them to have the same package and temp
think of tables of tables,
i have a resistor table that has all of my companies resistors, hell
even the reel number for the pick and place machine i am using, and
my schematic page is linked to a table it reads that table and sees
that you have resistor known as abc123 it points to the resist
DJ Delorie wrote:
>> I'm not advocating making a relational database part of the required
>> geda tool set
>
> No reason it couldn't be, either. We can hide all that in gattrib and
> the netlisters.
I should mention one little gotcha... hierarchy always throws in a few
kinks, since a database
http://www.delorie.com/pcb/docs/gs/
If you find any weirdisms, let me know.
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> I'm not advocating making a relational database part of the required
> geda tool set
No reason it couldn't be, either. We can hide all that in gattrib and
the netlisters.
No reason not to support multiple BOM files in gattrib either; just
like we support multiple SCH files already.
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 06:24:00PM -0800, Dave N6NZ wrote:
>
> In the geda world, I think this makes just as much sense. The above 5
> column table would work perfectly fine in mySQL or pick your favorite
> database.
I don't want to get bogged down in the whole argument, but I will point
out t
This problem was solved in the last millennium, and the tools have been
written. It's called a relational database.
You can't do a CPU design project involving hundreds of engineers with a
schematic system that doesn't scale. In the last century I worked on
several CPU's where the schematics,
Thanks again Peter,
This is what I am about to start using.
This is PCB, an interactive
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version 20070912
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On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 08:52 +0900, John Doty wrote:
> Right now, we, by default, reference light symbols in a common
> library, and then attach attributes to them. That's wrong, too: if
> I'm going to use a bunch of, say, OP220's in a design, I want all of
> them to have the same package and
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 19:11 -0500, Ian Chapman wrote:
> Okay, I am okay I did the tarball thing and it worked out fine. My base
> looks the way I intended too. Many thanks for all of your
> encouragement regards Ian.
Now you're on Gutsy, the .deb packages I built for use in the
Engineering dep
DJ Delorie wrote:
>> I do not see lessif in synaptic package manager.
>
> It's not about what's installed, it's about how pcb was built. If it
> has a bunch of layer buttons along the left side, you're using the gtk
> hid. If it doesn't, you're using the lesstif hid.
also the "about" dialog box
Okay, I am okay I did the tarball thing and it worked out fine. My base
looks the way I intended too. Many thanks for all of your
encouragement regards Ian.
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 14:10 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote:
> > version 20070208
>
> That's old. We might have fixed it since then.
>
> >
Hey, a thought...
What if gattrib could accept a *.bom on the command line in addition
to the *.sch ? We'd have to color code the cells to say which
attributes go to the schematics and which to the bom, and figure out
the logistics, but it might fit what we're trying to accomplish.
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Steve Meier wrote:
> John Doty wrote:
>> The interesting idea so far in this discussion has been to let the
>> BOM be source rather than product.
>>
>>
> Dang, That was the idea I intentionally left out of my last diatribe.
> And you cut right to it. I agree, that the
> I do not see lessif in synaptic package manager.
It's not about what's installed, it's about how pcb was built. If it
has a bunch of layer buttons along the left side, you're using the gtk
hid. If it doesn't, you're using the lesstif hid.
> pcb_20070912.orig.tar.gz.
Even that's a few months
I have
gtk2-engines 1.2.12.2-Oubuntu1
gtk2-engines-pixbuf 2.12.0-lubunt3
gtk2-engines-ubuntulooks 0.9.12.8
I do not see lessif in synaptic package manager.
I can see but not installed
lessif2 1.0.95.0-2.1 plus a dev, bin and doc
I guess I am a bit lost as to how it works without gtk 2.4 min. I
Timothy Normand Miller wrote:
> Sorry about the cross-post. We're -><- THIS close to getting OGD1
> done, with artwork in the hands of board makers who are working on
> quotes, and we've discovered a problem that could make the video
> output unacceptable.
>
> We've discovered that the clock gene
Here is the latest message file the fedora forum people suggested I get.
See attached
rc.sysinit
Description: Binary data
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Looks like it has the relevent info.
Steve Meier
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 11:15 -0700, Steven Ball wrote:
> I was doing some digging today, and look what I found:
>
> http://www.cedcc.psu.edu/cadtools/pcaddoc/pdif.pdf
>
> Documentation on the format of the PDIF output from PCAD. Hope it is
> he
> version 20070208
That's old. We might have fixed it since then.
> This was newly updated together with the newest Ubuntu on an AMD64.
I'm guessing it was the GTK gui, and not the Lesstif one, then?
Although, it works OK for gtk also, for me.
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Sorry DJ, I was using PCB version ...
This is PCB, an interactive
printed circuit board editor
version 20070208
Compiled on Jul 20 2007 at 19:19:50
This was newly updated together with the newest Ubuntu on an AMD64.
... Then File / load element data / click to footprint
They both look fine to me, but you didn't say which GUI or exporter
you're seeing the erratic behavior in. Some graphics libraries, like
X, act funny when you give them out-of-range angles like that, so
we've been fixing them as we encounter them.
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> I think your original idea was pretty good. It seems like a natural
> progression for learning PCB layout or evaluating the tool.
Yeah, you're probably right. I can put the more complex board in the
user's guide, too.
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> I've got a chip on my layout. In gscheme I didn't bind some of it's
> pins, though I'd like to, once in pcb, add a via and connect the pin
> to it, How do you use to do this?
>
> In pcb, I can add rat lines from such a chip's pins to existing
> layout components but if I create a via and try to
I was doing some digging today, and look what I found:
http://www.cedcc.psu.edu/cadtools/pcaddoc/pdif.pdf
Documentation on the format of the PDIF output from PCAD. Hope it is
helpful.
See also: http://www.cedcc.psu.edu/cadtools/interfaces.html
-Steve
On Nov 28, 2007, at 6:43 PM, Steve Me
Hi Alan, a copy of my original post has been sent to Ales Hvezda. I guess
he is a busy guy and looking after us and other groups is not his day job.
Regards Ian.
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Steve Meier wrote:
> John Doty wrote:
>> The interesting idea so far in this discussion has been to let the
>> BOM be source rather than product.
>>
>>
> Dang, That was the idea I intentionally left out of my last diatribe.
> And you cut right to it. I agree, that the world being bom specific
al davis wrote:
> On Thursday 06 December 2007, Steve Meier wrote:
>
> Steve also said this in private mail (I hope you don't mind my
> repeating it in public):
>> I actually think that one of the rather remarkable things
>> about geda is the use of a macro language to generate the
>> output.
>
Hi,
I am making a base for a toroid transformer and I am using an
element footprint as the basis for the design. I have used a spread sheet
to calculate the mounting holes base on 120 degree spacing. I have three
arcs between the tabs to define the outline between the tabs. Using th
On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 00:01 -0800, Steve Meier wrote:
> ahhh a rat in my mind is a potential trace between two points of a
> netlist. If you want to draw a trace that isn't part of the netlist then
> a rat has no meaning.
>
> at least in my mind.
You can actually build a rats-nest in PCB, in ver
Hi Peter and many thanks. This partial upgrade stuff, not too sure but
I sent your e-mail, closed all windows and found the last widow telling
me to click okay to finish the download. It took about 2.5 hours at
70kB/s and now I have a new PCB. I will start a new thread from work as
I think I hav
And when I tried to modify my subscription from receiving individual emails to receiving a daily digest, the instructions at http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user were not as clear as they could have been about how to do that. The page claims that it allows me to "change your exist
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 22:28 -0500, Ian Chapman wrote:
> > After this, try the upgrade again.
> Oh no. support for gnome cups manager has ended. I'll sort out the
> printer if necessary. Other than that and a few not supported libs that
> I do not understand it seems to be okay. Upgrades availa
On Dec 7, 2007 1:27 AM, DJ Delorie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Third: 555 SMT blinky. Same thing, but mostly SMT, with a ground
> > plane on the back. This introduces SMT, vias, and thermals.
>
> I'm thinking of something that uses two chips, like a USB to RS232
> converter, so I can put stu
Lope De Vega wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've got a chip on my layout. In gscheme I didn't bind
> some of it's pins, though I'd like to, once in pcb,
> add a via and connect the pin to it, How do you use to
> do this?
Are you trying to add "break out" pads so that you can get to the pins
in a prototyp
ahhh a rat in my mind is a potential trace between two points of a
netlist. If you want to draw a trace that isn't part of the netlist then
a rat has no meaning.
at least in my mind.
Steve M.
Lope De Vega wrote:
>> Check me if I am wrong... you have a pin that isn't
>> part of a net and
>> you a
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