gEDA-user: PCB: Can't move without silk layer switched on

2009-11-18 Thread Torsten Wagner
Dear all, I just learn about PCB and try to move footprints in pcb and have the problem that the silk layer with the component refdes names seems to be unmovable. Since I use small SMD parts, the text (e.g. R1, C1, etc.) nearly covers completely the pads. Furthermore, I noticed that I can not

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Stephan Boettcher
Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 17:10 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: What you want is a four-slot-slotted gate symbol, and a separate power symbol. The slots permute across {gate 1, gate2} x {A-B inputs, B-A inputs}. I.e. you can use the slotting to switch gates *or*

Re: gEDA-user: Feature Request Status-Terminal instead of dialogue and info boxes

2009-11-18 Thread Frank Bergmann
On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:24:48 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:35 +, Ineiev wrote: On 11/17/09, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 14:11 +, Ineiev wrote: I think you may want to use this Frank Bergmann patch (I like it very much)

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Can't move without silk layer switched on

2009-11-18 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 17:21 +0900, Torsten Wagner wrote: Dear all, I just learn about PCB and try to move footprints in pcb and have the problem that the silk layer with the component refdes names seems to be unmovable. Since I use small SMD parts, the text (e.g. R1, C1, etc.) nearly

Re: gEDA-user: PCB, --enable-m4lib-png needs gdlib with png support?

2009-11-18 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 23:53 -0500, Dan McMahill wrote: Stefan Salewski wrote: Hello, is gdlib with png support needed when we install PCB 20091103 with configure option -enable-m4lib-png? yes. There should be a helpful error message to that effect if you try to use that option

Re: gEDA-user: PCB: Can't move without silk layer switched on

2009-11-18 Thread Torsten Wagner
Hi Stefan, 2009/11/18 Stefan Salewski [1]m...@ssalewski.de There is something in PCB Menu like Only Names or Lock Names. This is related to refdes text. Thanks for making things more clear... Actually, after my post I found the options you mentioned. Just was

Re: gEDA-user: Feature Request Status-Terminal instead of dialogue and info boxes

2009-11-18 Thread Ineiev
On 11/18/09, Frank Bergmann frank.g...@frajasalo.de wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:24:48 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 18:35 +, Ineiev wrote: On 11/17/09, Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk wrote: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 14:11 +, Ineiev wrote: Does it work with the

gEDA-user: Best way to search in this list?

2009-11-18 Thread Stefan Salewski
For http://www.gpleda.org/mailinglists.html we still are searching in geda.seul.org. But searching in archives.seul.org gives more results: Input in Google search area: site:archives.seul.org myserchtext Is this the best way? ___ geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 23:34 +, Kai-Martin Knaak wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:35:08 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: I generate a bug with slotting, see http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Apr-2009/msg00189.html Ouups. I only did not get bitten by this trap, because my pinseq

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 17:19 -0700, John Doty wrote: Another problem is that it doesn't play well with hierarchy. Suppose you need a bunch of the same circuit, but one of the building blocks comes in pairs, and another comes in duals. That forces you to draw six of the circuit per block.

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 09:23 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 17:10 -0500, DJ Delorie wrote: What you want is a four-slot-slotted gate symbol, and a separate power symbol. The slots permute across {gate 1, gate2} x {A-B inputs,

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Stefan Salewski
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:57 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: This thread reminds me again to my something useless post some days ago: http://archives.seul.org/geda/user/Nov-2009/msg00310.html When I design electronics, there may be an initial phase where

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Gatliff
Stephan Boettcher wrote: I'd not call that abuse. The current sloting mechanism allows to change pin numpers on a drawn component to switch to a different instance of the component inside the same package. We also call for changing pin numbers when we replace one package type with another.

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Steven Michalske
On Nov 18, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Bill Gatliff wrote: Not sure if this question is related, but... Why not change the workflow so that during schematic capture, there are no pin numbers anywhere? Pins on symbols get assigned a physical pin number during some some later step, at the same

Re: gEDA-user: trying to compile gwave 20090213

2009-11-18 Thread Andreas K. Huettel
Hi all, thanks for the many replies, and sorry for my silence, real life kept me extremely busy these days. Here's a long e-mail with the answers to your questions, and yes, the problem is still unsolved... :( My motivation mainly was to update the ancient Gentoo gwave version... Am Montag

Re: gEDA-user: trying to compile gwave 20090213

2009-11-18 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Chitlesh, On Montag, 16. November 2009, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: I've encountered a similar bug about 2 years ago with the fedora gwave package. Till then, I think I fixed it by setting g-wrap-devel package as dependency of gwave. Try to install the development package : g-wrap-devel and

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread John Doty
On Nov 18, 2009, at 11:54 AM, Bill Gatliff wrote: Stephan Boettcher wrote: I'd not call that abuse. The current sloting mechanism allows to change pin numpers on a drawn component to switch to a different instance of the component inside the same package. We also call for changing

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:56 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: So I think what you're saying is that you like the idea of a tool that converts (hierarchical .sch)-(flat .sch). That can't work if there isn't some extra information input somewhere. On

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Gatliff
Steven Michalske wrote: Your suggestion sounds like an implementation I would call a logical hierarchy ( A hierarchy could be one level deep, and flat in the first place. ) workflow logical hierarchy ---implement--- physical hierarchy ---flatten?--- physical flat design. Then the

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Gatliff
John Doty wrote: Let's not say change the workflow. There are many workflows. Pin numbers and packages are already irrelevant to some. Well, let's say change MY workflow. :) Have a tool that translates schematics without pin numbers to schematics with them. Actually, I kind of

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:57 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: It is a perfect example of why gEDA can never grow more friendly interfaces to these problems. _Because_ the existing interface can be abused - and people think it is a good idea to encourage

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 12:54 -0600, Bill Gatliff wrote: Why not change the workflow so that during schematic capture, there are no pin numbers anywhere? Pins on symbols get assigned a physical pin number during some some later step, at the same time that footprints are selected. And then a

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 14:31 -0600, Bill Gatliff wrote: Steven Michalske wrote: * a schematic symbol represents some or all of a component * a component might satisfy the functionality indicated by more than one symbol * a component comes in one or more footprints You're clearly thinking of

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread John Doty
On Nov 18, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 10:56 -0700, John Doty wrote: On Nov 18, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Peter Clifton wrote: So I think what you're saying is that you like the idea of a tool that converts (hierarchical .sch)-(flat .sch). That can't work if there

gEDA-user: Black background on pcb

2009-11-18 Thread Anthony Shanks
I've tried looking at some pcb docs and have played around with the preferences but can't seem to find it. Is there anyway to have black background and white grid for pcb? ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Gatliff
Bill Gatliff wrote: * a schematic symbol represents some or all of a component * a component might satisfy the functionality indicated by more than one symbol * a component comes in one or more footprints * footprints are used by more than one component * schematic hierarchy symbols are just

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Peter Clifton
On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 20:53 +, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:57 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: I think I'd prefer flexible mechanism instead of multiple mechanism doing almost the same. Fine, condemn us to the status quo - where gEDA has no ability to identify

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Bill Gatliff
Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 14:31 -0600, Bill Gatliff wrote: Steven Michalske wrote: * a schematic symbol represents some or all of a component * a component might satisfy the functionality indicated by more than one symbol * a component comes in one or more

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread John Doty
On Nov 18, 2009, at 3:06 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: What really pains me - is that development has pretty much stagnated - because we can't seem to get _anything_ new into the suite to help provide basic functionality other packages take for granted. Nobody *ever* objects to adding another

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread John Doty
On Nov 18, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Peter Clifton wrote: On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 18:57 +0100, Stephan Boettcher wrote: Peter Clifton pc...@cam.ac.uk writes: It is a perfect example of why gEDA can never grow more friendly interfaces to these problems. _Because_ the existing interface can be

Re: gEDA-user: Black background on pcb

2009-11-18 Thread Anthony Shanks
Yes GTK. I thought I looked in that menu but only saw you can change the colors of the pcb layers, I didn't see an option for background. I guess I must have missed it. I'll check when I get home from work and I'll give your colors a try, thanks. On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Peter Clifton

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:17:02 +, Peter Clifton wrote: It is a perfect example of why gEDA can never grow more friendly interfaces to these problems. _Because_ the existing interface can be abused - and people think it is a good idea to encourage such flexibility, we end up with designs out

Re: gEDA-user: How to deal with single/dual parts?

2009-11-18 Thread Michael Sokolov
John Doty j...@noqsi.com wrote: A powerful component of an electronic design *automation* process. Not the usual fritterware tool that forces you to tell it what to do, repeatedly, by manual operation. Do graphics with GUI, do flow with scripts. High productivity rather than cute a

Re: gEDA-user: trying to compile gwave 20090213

2009-11-18 Thread Chitlesh GOORAH
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Werner Hoch wrote: Hi Chitlesh, If I have installed guile-gnome-platform-devel, then gwave runs fine. Without it, it crashes: . I think I've only a packaging error in my rpms. Does anybody know, which of the files in the of the devel file list should be

Re: gEDA-user: Black background on pcb

2009-11-18 Thread Ineiev
On 11/19/09, Ben Jackson b...@ben.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 03:37:47PM -0800, Anthony Shanks wrote: Yes GTK. I thought I looked in that menu but only saw you can change the colors of the pcb layers, I didn't see an option for background. I guess I must have missed it. I'll check when