Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-14 Thread Kovacs Levente
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:02:15 + andrew whyte ajwh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I realise that I am joining a very established thread, but I'd like to put forward 2 cents worth. Please don't be offended if what I'm saying isn't the same as your opinion. I have used gEDA as the main

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Armin Faltl
Bob Paddock wrote: If you switch to gEDA, will you want a native windows build? Help with that from anyone who is up on windows is on the wanted list. I've been poking at 'the perfect windows version' for some time, will give up on that for now. I think I just make basic canvas and

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Frank Bergmann
On 12.12.2010 17:36, Martin Kupec wrote: I am personally not that strong on windows. But getting it up on windows will probably help. Do you have an idea, how to build it on windows? I expect errors and problems, but just generally which toolchain to use? pcb

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Colin D Bennett wrote: If footprints are extended to allow text elements to be included, then I really hope that general polygons will be allowed too. plus arcs, two layers of silk, lines in copper, vias, mid layers, ... In short: The footprint format should allow everything you can do in a

Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
Anthony Blake wrote: We already have a decent footprint/symbol library.. Ermm, no. We don't have decent libraries. What we have, is two sets of inconsistent, incomplete libraries plus an orderless bunch of user contributions in gedasymbols.org. The default symbols refuse to give a clue what

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Bob Paddock
Did you try to build/test all the demos that come with wxWindows - did you try to build another app, that uses it? - please report. My personal impression when I went for a widget tool kit was, that it's very complicated and broken. I've been using wxWidgets for over ten years now. You'll

gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 17:03 +, Peter Clifton wrote: I've used Cesar Strauss' minipack tools to build it before. This isn't particularly maintained, but the latest gEDA version is packaged up here for testing: http://www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~pcjc2/geda-windows.html WARNING:: A colleague of

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread timecop
${EnvVarUpdate} $0 PATH A HKLM $INSTDIR\bin It looks OK from a quick glance, but it depends what build settings were used for the NSIS... Warning this code will replace paths rather than append if the existing path exceeds the maximum string length in the NSIS build you are using. Maybe he

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Armin Faltl
Bob Paddock wrote: so I'm well familiar with its warts. All of the commercial apps I've had to develop at work have been based on wx. Then you are in a special situation and I won't argue with you about usability. Can't argue with it being complicated. Start with the above book, and get

Re: gEDA-user: FUNDING

2010-12-14 Thread Rick Collins
At 04:30 AM 12/14/2010, Kovacs Levente wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:02:15 + andrew whyte ajwh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, ..snip.. Because of the GERBER standard, FOSS stands a chance of creating competitive tools for EDA, this is much more difficult in areas where open

gEDA-user: 27th Chaos Communication Congress (27C3)

2010-12-14 Thread Robert Fitzsimons
Anybody going to 27C3 in Berlin during the 27th-30th of December? I'd like to spend some of my spare time at the conference working on or promoting gEDA. I've signed up to give a two hour workshop/tutorial on gschem/pcb, so hopefully that will be accepted. If there were a couple of us going

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 22:04 +0900, timecop wrote: ${EnvVarUpdate} $0 PATH A HKLM $INSTDIR\bin It looks OK from a quick glance, but it depends what build settings were used for the NSIS... That I don't know, I just apt-get install'ed it. I guess it might be worth me re-building the

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread timecop
Warning this code will replace paths rather than append if the existing path exceeds the maximum string length in the NSIS build you are using. Maybe he tried installing it into some huge path and ended up trimming the entire var set or something... I think what could happen if im

gEDA-user: WxWidgets (Was: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 14:18 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: As this was 2006, probably a very old version. If I remember correct, the minimal sample (using OpenGL?) either didn't compile or segfaulted or just didn't do anything on Windows or Linux (I have no Mac). The OpenGL sample I found for

Re: gEDA-user: WINDOWS BUILD WARNING (WAS: Re: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB)

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 23:10 +0900, timecop wrote: Maybe he tried installing it into some huge path and ended up trimming the entire var set or something... I think what could happen if im reading this warning correctly is that if he already HAD a lot of stuff in $PATH that was some huge

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread John Coppens
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 12:09:45 +0100 Kai-Martin Knaak kn...@iqo.uni-hannover.de wrote: If footprints are extended to allow text elements to be included, then I really hope that general polygons will be allowed too. plus arcs, two layers of silk, lines in copper, vias, mid layers, ... In

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread Kai-Martin Knaak
John Coppens wrote: I see no point in arbitrary restrictions. That was mainly what I was wondering about in the first place. Shouldn't footprints be something like functions in programming? Or maybe slightly more similar to macros? There is one caveat, though: Layouts can contain layers

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Bob Paddock
Parentheses around a constant are nonsense - there is nothing a plain number could evaluate to in the preprocessor than itself (unless you #define 1e20 (foo * i++)), so it has the highest precedence by itself. (couldn't you even #define (1e20) foo*i++  ?;-) Not knowing how the #define

Re: gEDA-user: 27th Chaos Communication Congress (27C3)

2010-12-14 Thread DJ Delorie
I did a geda/pcb lab for Devcon which you can borrow from if you like... http://www.delorie.com/electronics/rulz/A31L.html It takes my son about 45 minutes to go through it, but the average engineer takes over an hour due to play time :-) I'd schedule two hours for it as-is. One hour was *not*

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread DJ Delorie
Layers in the footprint have to be mapped according to the principle of least surprise. Last we talked of this, I mentioned symbolic layer tags vs physical layer tags. So footprints would have top/inner/bottom layers, boards would have 1(top)/2/3/4(bottom) layers. Yes, mapping everything is

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread Stephan Boettcher
DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com writes: Layers in the footprint have to be mapped according to the principle of least surprise. Last we talked of this, I mentioned symbolic layer tags vs physical layer tags. So footprints would have top/inner/bottom layers, boards would have

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Armin Faltl
Bob Paddock wrote: Parentheses around a constant are nonsense - there is nothing a plain number could evaluate to in the preprocessor than itself (unless you #define 1e20 (foo * i++)), so it has the highest precedence by itself. (couldn't you even #define (1e20) foo*i++ ?;-) Not

Re: gEDA-user: Text in PCB elements

2010-12-14 Thread DJ Delorie
We talked about that. It's hard to do but not impossible :-) ___ geda-user mailing list geda-user@moria.seul.org http://www.seul.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/geda-user

Re: gEDA-user: 27th Chaos Communication Congress (27C3)

2010-12-14 Thread Robert Spanton
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 13:18 +, Robert Fitzsimons wrote: Anybody going to 27C3 in Berlin during the 27th-30th of December? I'd like to spend some of my spare time at the conference working on or promoting gEDA. I've signed up to give a two hour workshop/tutorial on gschem/pcb, so

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Martin Kupec
On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 04:05:11PM +, Peter Clifton wrote: Well, don't forget to raise the issues here - you might find you get some of them fixed for free ;) Fixing issues affecting everyone benefits everyone. If they are very complex to fix, sponsoring someone with the required know-how

Re: gEDA-user: Random thoughts on the future interface of PCB

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 22:57 +0100, Martin Kupec wrote: Sometimes, when you place to lines too close, but not that close in polygon. It will make thin line in the polygon connecting two part of the polygon. DRC will mark this line as too thin. Actually, I'm pretty sure the