Re: New committers

2006-06-22 Thread David Crossley
Matthias Wessendorf wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.-- justin thanks justin. snip After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PMC

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote: What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP process and the apache project. Eg is the apache project a (reference?) implementation of a

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Phil Steitz
On 6/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo Simons wrote: On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:15:38AM -0400, Jim Hurley wrote: Let the records show that Geir is listed as initial committer too yet probably doesn't work at sun, unless he switched companies again :) Hey, it's been 6

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Dan Creswell
Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote: What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP process and the apache project. Eg is the apache project a (reference?)

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Gianugo Rabellino
On Jun 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Leo Simons wrote: * Mentor - Geir Magnusson Jr. Lately popular opinion seems to be that it'd be good if there were at least three mentors. Any others? Here, here! I' d be glad to be a mentor for this project, I've been following Jini closely and would

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Leo Simons
(can you please fix your mailer to * not break email threading * wrap lines thanks!) On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 01:44:36PM -0400, Sakala, Adinarayana wrote: ? The one JSR mentioned above is 181 which I believe is part of Java EE and not the JDK, right? I belive JSR 181 is part of EE.

Re: New committers

2006-06-22 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 09:04:27PM -0700, Martin Cooper wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/06, Matthias Wessendorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yah, I guess so. But, then follow the rest of the stuff on the new committers page that Jean sent out.--

Re: [doc] web site dropped the learn category

2006-06-22 Thread Leo Simons
Hmm, I certainly didn't really miss them. Because... On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 03:43:22PM -0700, Jean T. Anderson wrote: Incubator web site navigation no longer has a learn category with links to these pages: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Phil Steitz
On 6/22/06, Mark Brouwer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote: What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the JCP process and the

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Leo Simons
Hey all, On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 11:29:46AM +0200, Mark Brouwer wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Wednesday 21 June 2006 19:19, Leo Simons wrote: What I'm missing is an idea of the interaction between jini.org and this proposed new apache project, and an idea of the interaction between the

Re: [STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 21 23:53:03 2006

2006-06-22 Thread Leo Simons
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 11:53:04PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $] ^^^ This file is not maintained

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread James Strachan
Being 'biled' should be taken as a compliment :) On 6/21/06, Davanum Srinivas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, you should be on the other side like i was [1] or the tomcat folks were and face it. I higly recommend it. it's depressing and demoralizing to say the least. -- dims [1]

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Believe me james! that's how i initially took it :) In fact i told my fellow troops its an honor [1] -- dims [1] http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=axis-devm=114711015426370w=2 On 6/22/06, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being 'biled' should be taken as a compliment :) On 6/21/06,

Re: [doc] web site dropped the learn category

2006-06-22 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/22/06, Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/learn/releasemanagement.html http://www.apache.org/dev/#releases this is a skeleton i recently committed in preparation for docathon. (i hoped that some of those who've posted about release management

Re: [PROPOSAL] Heraldry Identity Project

2006-06-22 Thread Ruchith Fernando
Hi, Proposal -- This is a proposal to create a project within the Apache Software Foundation to develop technologies around the emerging user-centric identity space. The project would start with Yadis [1] for URL/XRI-based service discovery, OpenID [2] for web based

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread James Strachan
Its also worth remembering that Hani is also a member of the JCP Executive Committee and contributes alot to both Java J2SE standards as well as numerous open source projects. I know Hani pretty well and he'll be an awesome addition to any Apache project. The bileblog is simply an extremely

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Hani is a good guy. He really understands technology, he's honest, he's open and he has a utterly wicked and warped sense of humor. I count him as a friend of mine, and I certainly have no problem with him becoming a committer for CeltixFire. BileBlog is satire with almost always a grain of

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread James Strachan
On 6/21/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In any case, the framework part seems just like what JBI impls like ServiceMix are doing and what JBI alternates like SCA (Tuscany) are doing. Since James is a mentor of this maybe he can explain the relationship (or lack thereof) between

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 17:30 +0200, James Strachan wrote: CeltixFire is aimed at implementing the JAX-WS/JAX-WSA/JSR-181 standards which are the newer standards for working with SOAP WS-Addressing on the Java platform Thanks for the clarification. So its basically an alternate to Axis2 as we

Re: [STATUS] (incubator) Wed Jun 21 23:53:03 2006

2006-06-22 Thread Martin Sebor
Leo Simons wrote: On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 11:53:04PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2006-02-05 04:40:19 -0500 (Sun, 05 Feb 2006) $] ^^^ This

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
So, Could the principals involved drop all the marketing stuff and call it what it is? A SOAP Engine that implements multiple JSR's, databindings, transports, supports multiple WS-* protocols and can work with non-XML data? Thanks, dims On 6/22/06, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Thu, 2006-06-22 at 18:06 +0200, James Strachan wrote: Lots of people use the ESB word these days to talk about lots of different kinds of technology, so its a pretty meaningless term. (e.g. Some Synapse folks claim its an ESB too while others claim its an Axis2 mediation framework). We

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Paul Fremantle
I think there is a very clear distinction between an intermediary (like a JBI container, Mule, ServiceMix, Synapse, etc) and a Web Service client and server framework. While I agree with you that the term ESB is pretty vacuous, it is clear that all the ESB code out there fits into the world as

Re: [doc] web site dropped the learn category

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Jean T. Anderson wrote: ... I can easily restore this category and will do so unless somebody recalls that it was deliberately dropped. thanks for the feedback, everyone. I won't restore anything. :-) Instead I'll raise some issues at the upcoming docathon. -jean

Re: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel Kulp
Dims, (I appologize if this doesn't thread properly. I'm replying to a message in a digest as I wasn't a subsciber to this list until a few minutes ago. I'm not sure how well that works.) Are u with me so far? - CeltixFire's vision is to be a SOA Infrastructure project with all things

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Sakala, Adinarayana
(can you please fix your mailer to * not break email threading * wrap lines thanks!) Sorry about that. -Adi -Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:44 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]

RE: [PROPOSAL] CeltiXfire Project

2006-06-22 Thread Sakala, Adinarayana
1) Is CeltiXFire planning to create an intermediary runtime or support endpoints or both? CeltiXfire is focused on service creation and service consumption capabilities at the endpoint. The architecture is flexible enough to be used in either way - we are not trying to build to a particular

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Bob Scheifler
Leo Simons wrote: I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I think this means you need a name for [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is not jini :) Could you expand on why you think that? Thanks. - Bob

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Bit more info here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalm=115091704611860w=2 -- dims On 6/22/06, Bob Scheifler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leo Simons wrote: I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I think this means you need a name for [EMAIL

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Bob Scheifler
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Bit more info here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalm=115091704611860w=2 Thanks, but I'm not sure I understand what confusion is worried about. The expected new jini.org is an information/community site, not a software development site. We also now have

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I should also point you to the follow up :) http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=incubator-generalm=115092546912444w=2 Name change is something to keep in mind as you progress through incubation...There's no hurry. -- dims On 6/22/06, Bob Scheifler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Davanum Srinivas wrote:

Re: New committers

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Kienenberger
I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those making the podling decisions. Worse case, it'll be easier to merge the two if we (myfaces) do

Re: New committers

2006-06-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Mike- On 6/22/06, Mike Kienenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the future destination of adffaces is so clear that myfaces-pmc should be making the decisions. My preference is that adffaces-ppmc be created and those doing the adffaces work be those making the podling decisions.

Re: [Proposal] Jini Project

2006-06-22 Thread Mark Brouwer
Bob Scheifler wrote: Leo Simons wrote: I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I think this means you need a name for [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is not jini :) Could you expand on why you think that? Thanks. Maybe it is also good to emphasis that Jini is a

PPMC list for Tuscany

2006-06-22 Thread Jeremy Boynes
After the recent discussion on the New Committers thread, I'd like to ask someone to create a private/ppmc list for Tuscany. I opened a Jira for this a while ago http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-839 and someone who shall remain nameless volunteered to do it but hasn't quite got around

Re: PPMC list for Tuscany

2006-06-22 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Hey Jeremy, thanks for pointing the light to it. I created *just* a very similar ticket ;) http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-858 Thanks, Matthias On 6/22/06, Jeremy Boynes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After the recent discussion on the New Committers thread, I'd like to ask someone to

Extensible Ajax Platform (XAP) Project Update

2006-06-22 Thread Coach Wei
XAP project infrastructure has been set up, code has been committed and the project is up and running: 1. The initial website is set up at: http://incubator.apache.org/xap 2. The source code is at: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/xap 3. You are welcome to subscribe to XAP dev list via

Re: Extensible Ajax Platform (XAP) Project Update

2006-06-22 Thread Martin Cooper
On 6/22/06, Coach Wei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: XAP project infrastructure has been set up, code has been committed and the project is up and running: 1. The initial website is set up at: http://incubator.apache.org/xap 2. The source code is at: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/xap 3.

RE: Extensible Ajax Platform (XAP) Project Update

2006-06-22 Thread Coach Wei
I hope I wasn't given people wrong impression in my early update. The reality is that email will be the primary communication mechanism. IRC chat is scheduled to be complimentary to email discussions, and IRC chat minutes are made available to the email list as well. -Original Message-

Re: Various

2006-06-22 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Craig McClanahan wrote: PS: Hani, will you *please* someday, just once, spell my name correctly so that Google can find your pearls of wisdom about me? :-) :-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Various

2006-06-22 Thread Ian Holsman
Hani. I haven't read your bileblog, but this email really shows a bad attitude. I personally don't care how good your code is. in my past experience your code isn't worth the pain the attitude is going to cause. Technical merit is only aspect of apache, it's about the community. and