Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Matt Hogstrom
-1 same as Craig, et al On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Kevan Miller wrote: My vote is -1. On Sep 10, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: Considering that dependencies on incubating releases can be resolved by explicitly adding an incubating Maven repository into your settings, I d

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Daniel Kulp
+1 On Wednesday 10 September 2008 2:34:49 am Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects > using the central Maven repository to distribute their releases. The > current policy is that incubating releases should not go to there. The > relate

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Guillaume Nodet
+1 On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects > using the central Maven repository to distribute their releases. The > current policy is that incubating releases should not go to there. Th

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread jgenender
+1 Yes, allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository Jeff Jukka Zitting wrote: > > Hi, > > We've had a number of long discussions about the incubating projects > using the central Maven repository to distribute their releases. The > current policy is that incuba

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig L Russell wrote: >> >> -1 >> >> I believe that allowing incubating releases to be treated as full Apache >> releases diminishes the Apache brand and makes incubation disclaimers moot. >> >> With Maven, it is too

[DISCUSS] Names for the Web2.0kit

2008-09-16 Thread Shanti Subramanyam - PAE
Since I didn't see any response to the proposed names below, here are a couple more : potpourri sonata (4 movements: web/cache/objectstore/db ? ) Shanti Original Message Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Web20Kit: A Web 2.0 technology evaluation kit Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:51:30 -070

Re: AW: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.3-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.3-incubating release

2008-09-16 Thread Thomas Fischer
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Jörg Reiher wrote: Hello, I've got the following questions regarding the KEYS file and the md5+sha hashes for a release: There is actually a KEYS file located at http://people.apache.org/~reiher/Empire-db-incubating/KEYS Is there something wrong with it or do we have to

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: -1 I believe that allowing incubating releases to be treated as full Apache releases diminishes the Apache brand and makes incubation disclaimers moot. With Maven, it

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just so everyone understands this in context, the objection above is moot > because... No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get out of the Incubator is goodness. Too many podlings view t

Re: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.3-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.3-incubating release

2008-09-16 Thread Thomas Fischer
On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Rainer D?bele wrote: ... As far as I understand it, there are two major problems with the empire-struts2-ext-1.0.3 release: 1. the missing freemarker info in the NOTICE file (we'll add HSQLDB as well) 2. the inclusion of servlet-api.jar and jsp-api.jar. Plus the status

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just so everyone understands this in context, the objection above is moot because... No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get out of the Incubator is goodness.

Re: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.3-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.3-incubating release

2008-09-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Thomas Fischer wrote: On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Rainer D�bele wrote: Since we built the 2.0.3 / 1.0.3 release we have made some improvemets and bugfixes. I suggest skipping these releases and continuing with the 2.0.4 and 1.0.4 release. Hm, the 2.0.3 release is not released yet. You can still cal

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just so everyone understands this in context, the objection above is moot because... No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get out

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> I believe that allowing incubating releases to be treated as full Apache > releases diminishes the Apache brand and makes incubation disclaimers moot. I believe that if it says incubation in large letters, people will understand that it is not a full Apache release. But we're both guessing. > W

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: The problem with a release injected in maven is that it will be there forever. If a release has some problems (IP issues, etc), you can't remove it from maven, as some projects might depend on it, and the users will immediately carpet bomb the maven ML to get the releas

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get > out of the Incubator is goodness. Too many podlings view the > Incubator as a comfy place - I believe that the Incubator PMC needs to > create more of a reason for projects to get in gear and graduate. > This isn't college -

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Folks, this is a VOTE thread!!! -- dims On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, it's not. Anything that creates an impetus for a podling to get >> out of the Incubator is goodness. Too many podlings view the >> Incubator as

Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-16 Thread Matthieu Riou
On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:10 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >>> Craig L Russell wrote: >>> -1 I believe that allowing incubating releases to be tr

Re: [DISCUSS] Names for the Web2.0kit

2008-09-16 Thread Matt Hogstrom
Sonata is clever On Sep 16, 2008, at 4:12 PM, Shanti Subramanyam - PAE wrote: Since I didn't see any response to the proposed names below, here are a couple more : potpourri sonata (4 movements: web/cache/objectstore/db ? ) Shanti Original Message Subject: Re: [DISCUSS]

RE: [DISCUSS] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[If you're going to DISCUSS, please don't use VOTE on the SUBJECT. :-)] Emmanuel Lecharny wrote: > If a release has some problems (IP issues, etc), you can't > remove it from maven, as some projects might depend on it, > and the users will immediately carpet bomb the maven ML to > get the relea

RE: Incubator Maven repo [WAS Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository]

2008-09-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> I don't know of anybody who goes to actual users and tell > them "here you go, unzip that stuff there, set your > JAVA_HOME and your MAVEN_HOME properly, execute 'mvn install' > and once all test cases pass you're golden". LOL Pretty much word for word: $ cd $ mvn install $ mvn pluto:instal

Re: [VOTE] [POLICY] Allow extra release distribution channels like the central Maven repository

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
-1 Here are my reasons: - If incubator artifacts are distributed the same way as "regular" artifacts, it removes one of the pain points for Incubator projects to graduate. Personally, I feel this pain point is intended. - It makes it too easy for other projects to depend on incubating artifacts.

Re: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.3-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.3-incubating release

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Yes, they can. Every member of the empire-db svn group should be able to change the incubator site files. Please try, if not, it is a bug. Ciao Henning On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 21:20 +, Thomas Fischer wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Rainer Dbele wrote: > > > ... > > As f

Re: [VOTE] apache-empire-db-2.0.4-incubating and apache-empire-struts2-ext-1.0.4-incubating release

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
md5sum and sha1sum (on linux) did not like the checksum files. Checksums are ok, though. gpg key is ok. rat looks good. apache-empire-db builds for me. Can't say much more. Unit tests? Any kind of code verification? Test suite? This is hopefully just "coming soon", right? :-) nitpick: build resu

Re: Depending on incubating project

2008-09-16 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Branch and experiment. FtpServer does not need to be one-dimensional. You will probably not release this code to an unsuspecting public anyway, will you? ;-) Ciao Henning On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:54 +0200, Niklas Gustavsson wrote: > Hi > > Within Apache FtpServer, a subp