Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-09 Thread Karl Wright
I still think the binary archive is unnecessarily bloated, and will cause wasted load and resources for mirrors and consumers. If it were straightforward, I would already have done it. Here's a rundown of the space usage in the dist directory of the -bin object: doc: 995 File(s)

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-09 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I've attached a new proposed version of README.txt, NOTICE.TXT, and LICENSE.txt.  Any further comments? Karl These look good to me. Its a long thread so a bit hard to keep track of without a new RC but i think what you

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-09 Thread sebb
On 9 January 2011 08:14, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: I still think the binary archive is unnecessarily bloated, and will cause wasted load and resources for mirrors and consumers. If it were straightforward, I would already have done it. Here's a rundown of the space usage in the

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-09 Thread Karl Wright
Not sure what you mean by open copy. Open meaning not bound up in a war. There are also 2 copies of each of the war files, total 37M for one set. Yes, that's known to me; so you are also suggesting that not just the dependent jars be treated this way, but all the built artifacts as well.

ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread sebb
I've just noticed that there are lots of jars stored in SVN under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/lcf/branches/release-0.1-branch AIUI, SVN should not be used for storing library jars. == The way other projects manage this is to define the jar dependencies in a build file, and get

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Karl Wright
Please point me at a URL where it says this is Apache policy. I know of several Apache projects which work the same way ManifoldCF does. svn is perfectly capable of storing binary images of all kinds. Karl On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 5:53 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: I've just noticed that

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sure that it isn't a policy. It's a good practice avoiding Subversion bloat. There are certainly Apache projects who still have a trunk-load of checked-in jars. On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote: Please point me at a URL where it says this is Apache policy.

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Karl Wright
We would like to eventually get them out of there, but both Grant and I agreed early on that it wasn't the highest priority. If it is Apache policy, then obviously we'd have to change our minds. When we attack this, we intend to use ant plus ivy, not Maven. We tried Maven and found it was

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Grant Ingersoll
This seems a bit over the top. I prefer them in SVN so I can get them all at once, which is especially nice when one is working offline. On Jan 9, 2011, at 5:53 PM, sebb wrote: I've just noticed that there are lots of jars stored in SVN under

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Alex North
The Wave project also has jars in its repository (on its way to Apache SVN). That seems to be the most reliable way to define exactly what version of what jars are required and ensure everyone has the same ones. On 10 January 2011 11:16, Grant Ingersoll gsing...@apache.org wrote: This seems a

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Michael MacFadden
There are additional benefits to dependency management systems like Maven or Ivy as well. Beyond avoiding checking in jar files, you can reference a dependency once and not have to proliferate references if you have multi module builds (with multiple build files). Also, if your project gets

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread Benson Margulies
Gang, Please be clear about when you are offering advice to podlings and when you are conveying policy. The people in the podlings get justifiably rattled when they get email that seems to suggest that they are somehow not following some rule that isn't, apparently, written down anywhere.

Re: ManifoldCF - jars should not be stored in SVN

2011-01-09 Thread dsh
I just offered an advice based on my own experience nothing more :) Cheers Daniel On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Gang, Please be clear about when you are offering advice to podlings and when you are conveying policy. The people in the podlings

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ManifoldCF 0.1

2011-01-09 Thread David Crossley
Karl Wright wrote: (4) Grant suggested that we simply not include the PDF portion of the doc build. This has the disadvantage of causing each site page to have a broken link, but otherwise the PDFs are not of great value, excepting perhaps the end-user documentation PDF. Savings: about