Re: on peer review

2012-01-17 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Back when I was a Math grad student, one day while hanging > around the chair's office the chair relayed to me a curious > story- a parent had just been into his office to complain > about the grade their student had received from one of > the

Re: New OpenNLP committers need commit rights

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Jörn Kottmann wrote: > Thanks! > > Aliaksandr tried to commit but couldn't. > He got the following error: > > Changing file >  'D:\Aliaksandr\Stage\NLP\parsers\OpenNLP\opennlp.svn.new\opennlp-tools\src\main\java\opennlp\tools\formats\WordTagSampleStreamFactory.java

[Discuss] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> I doubt writing some more documentation on >> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities >> for yet another role will make a material >> difference to anyone's behavi

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Matt Benson wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why >> clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes >> here.*  My inexpert answer woul

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > Hi all, > > We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why > clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes > here.*  My inexpert answer would be that the ICLA, with the exception > of clause 7, dea

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Joe Schaefer
My personal threshold for evaluating the overall quality of a mentor's work is whether or not I can exceed their level of competence and effort towards a podling within 5 hours of reviewing the podling's history.  Most of the time I can.  Certainly can in the Kato and Tashi cases. You are right t

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Well I think we will likely see more of the > same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion, > then wandering off once the podling is underway. Hm, you might be right on that. If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we al

[CANCEL][DISCUSS] Apache Bean Validation as a TLP

2012-01-17 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
Hi... It has been discussed on bval-dev@ to change the project name to Apache BVal [1]. Canceling this [DISCUSSION] and will start a new one later with the new charter. Thanks [1] - http://markmail.org/message/kzqgd7ff7t6p62va On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din < nour.moh

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Rave 0.6-INCUBATING Release

2012-01-17 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
The Apache Rave (Incubating) team is pleased to announce the immediate availability of the Rave 0.6-INCUBATING Alpha release. Apache Rave is a new web and social mashup engine. It will provide an out-of-the-box, as well as extendible, lightweight Java platform to host, serve and manage OpenSocial,

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Joe Schaefer
Well I think we will likely see more of the same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion, then wandering off once the podling is underway. > > From: Christian Grobmeier >To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > I doubt writing some more documentation on > some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities > for yet another role will make a material > difference to anyone's behavior.  Under Noel > we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Hi all, We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes here.* My inexpert answer would be that the ICLA, with the exception of clause 7, deals with "original" works, which is intended to exclude "code tha

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Joe Schaefer
I doubt writing some more documentation on some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities for yet another role will make a material difference to anyone's behavior.  Under Noel we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement program, and the generally poor quality of mentoring is the natu

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the > Champion position so high that we wind up with > fewer people offering to fulfill it. In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing to "Champion" the project at all? In which c

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Joe Schaefer
Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the Champion position so high that we wind up with fewer people offering to fulfill it. > > From: Craig L Russell >To: general@incubator.apache.org >Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:00 PM >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clari

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 The role of the Champion in the past basically ended when the podling was accepted for incubation, which was unfortunate. Craig On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Hi Incubator PMC, Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas - the goal is to

Re: New OpenNLP committers need commit rights

2012-01-17 Thread Jörn Kottmann
Thanks! Aliaksandr tried to commit but couldn't. He got the following error: Changing file 'D:\Aliaksandr\Stage\NLP\parsers\OpenNLP\opennlp.svn.new\opennlp-tools\src\main\java\opennlp\tools\formats\WordTagSampleStreamFactory.java' is forbidden by the server Access to '/repos/asf/!svn/txr/12

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Adding deltaspike-dev back to the distribution: On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Gerhard Petracek wrote: > ok - matt and i just had a short talk with sam to ensure that we are > talking about the same. > it isn't the only way, but to resolve it once and for all it's easier to > handle it via a so

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
ok - matt and i just had a short talk with sam to ensure that we are talking about the same. it isn't the only way, but to resolve it once and for all it's easier to handle it via a software grant. @matt: it would be great if you can contact them again. @sam: thx for your help regards, gerhard

Re: IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Thanks for the simple example, Ralph. :) Matt On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > I don't have the link in hand at the moment, but lets pretend that someone > wrote some code under the GPL, LGPL or some other non-Apache license. > Someone else takes that code a

Re: IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
I don't have the link in hand at the moment, but lets pretend that someone wrote some code under the GPL, LGPL or some other non-Apache license. Someone else takes that code and simply changes the license header to the Apache license. You then, with all good intent, pick up that software and commit

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi, in general - fyi: we don't have a huge import. we discuss single features and if we agree on one, one of the members (of the original project) commits it. all authors have their icla on file, joined the project and participate in the discussion and the release votes. regards, gerhard 2012/

IP clearance for compatibly-licensed software WAS Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
This thread brings up another issue. During this process we have encountered the sentiment that the ASF's insistence on (arguably) extensive documentation to import e.g. ALv2-licensed code seems to express a lack of confidence in "its own" license on the part of the ASF. My response has been, par

Re: [VOTE] Chukwa 0.5.0 Release Candidate 3

2012-01-17 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/15/2012 1:42 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > You know, you have 4 mentors all of whom are supposed to be IPMC members. > Have they voted? Nope, traveling, and now back in project hell at one of my own homes. I did review the Chukwa monthly report and comment on several apparent issues on dev@. I

Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"

2012-01-17 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 1/12/2012 9:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must: > > 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports. > > 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new > mentors, talk to t

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > I didn't mention CCLA's on purpose. A corporation will have a CCLA on file > to either a) declare that certain employees are permitted to contribute > software or b) declare that certain software is contributed to the ASF.  A >

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
I didn't mention CCLA's on purpose. A corporation will have a CCLA on file to either a) declare that certain employees are permitted to contribute software or b) declare that certain software is contributed to the ASF. A CCLA that is on file that only includes Schedule A doesn't grant the ASF perm

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com wrote: > Sorry for jumping in in the middle. > > Code contributed to Apache must be under some form of an agreement. If the > code was authored by an individual and that individual has an ICLA on file > then they can contribute the soft

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
Sorry for jumping in in the middle. Code contributed to Apache must be under some form of an agreement. If the code was authored by an individual and that individual has an ICLA on file then they can contribute the software under their ICLA. If a group of developers developed something and all hav

Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Gerhard Petracek
hi matt, imo we have to care about it in case of other external contributions we are going to get quite soon. however, in case of seam3 i don't see any issue at all. #1 redhat has a ccla on file #2 they contacted us [1] to join forces (and they found out that the asf is also a great place for the

on peer review

2012-01-17 Thread Joe Schaefer
Back when I was a Math grad student, one day while hanging around the chair's office the chair relayed to me a curious story- a parent had just been into his office to complain about the grade their student had received from one of the professors.  The student was a high-school age kid who was part

Re: [RT] Community over policy, and similar thoughts

2012-01-17 Thread Donald Whytock
Fair enough. I used to run into this in high school, where something that had been done the year before a freshman came in was suddenly a tradition that had to be done every year. You could probably compare it to Terry Pratchett's senior mayfly ("It's way too bright around here now. Not like it

Re: New OpenNLP committers need commit rights

2012-01-17 Thread Sam Ruby
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Jörn Kottmann wrote: > Hi all, > > the OpenNLP PPMC voted in two new committers, > the infrastructure team already created accounts for > both (thanks for that), but they are still missing the actual svn submit > rights. > > According to the PPMC guide they must b

New OpenNLP committers need commit rights

2012-01-17 Thread Jörn Kottmann
Hi all, the OpenNLP PPMC voted in two new committers, the infrastructure team already created accounts for both (thanks for that), but they are still missing the actual svn submit rights. According to the PPMC guide they must be added to this file: https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastruc

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-17 Thread Reto Bachmann-Gmür
Thanks for the explanation and pointers. The reason the license files is not at the root is that we are releasing a few dozen modules which are released together for voting convenience but could also released separately. I suggest to add a note in the readme pointing out that the some modules cont

Re: Gora Incubator Graduation Resolution

2012-01-17 Thread Jim Jagielski
Thanks! On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Done in r32974. > > Cheers, > Chris > > On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >> Please provide full Email addresses in the resolution, even >> if apache.org. This is the official resolution that creates >> t

Re: [1 IPMC VOTE NEEDED] [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-17 Thread Ate Douma
On 01/17/2012 10:41 AM, ant elder wrote: On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ate Douma wrote: On 01/13/2012 09:53 AM, ant elder wrote: I've had a look, the only issue i see is I don't think the NOTICE file in the binary distribution is correct as it has many things which i expect are not requir

Re: invubator site svn issue?

2012-01-17 Thread Francis De Brabandere
Sorry about this, was not very awake this morning and thought we had a single svn repo. Anyway, our empire-db folder was not recognized as svn enabled any more and lots of files were deleted. No idea how this happened though. Cheers, Francis On 17 January 2012 09:16, Francis De Brabandere wrote

Re: [VOTE] - Relase Apache Clerezza 0.2-incubating (RC4)

2012-01-17 Thread ant elder
The issue is that ASF release artifacts should have in their root a LICENSE file which includes all the licensing details of the artifact. This source release artifact, clerezza-0.2-incubating-source-release.zip, does have a LICENSE file at its root, but that file has no mention that the source di

Re: [1 IPMC VOTE NEEDED] [VOTE] Release Apache Rave 0.6-incubating

2012-01-17 Thread ant elder
On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 01/13/2012 09:53 AM, ant elder wrote: >> >> I've had a look, the only issue i see is I don't think the NOTICE file >> in the binary distribution is correct as it has many things which i >> expect are not required. When we last discussed this

DeltaSpike IP clarifications

2012-01-17 Thread Matt Benson
Hi, all--per [1], "Generally, the mentors of a new project will need to consult with general@incubator.apache.org or the Apache legal team about the particular circumstances." So, here I am. The situation can be read in detail at [2], but in short is this: DeltaSpike is intended to amalgamate "be

Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)

2012-01-17 Thread Ross Gardler
On 17 January 2012 04:07, Hyrum K Wright wrote: > (That, and I haven't yet learned how to wade through the fire hose > that is general@incubator to spot potential reminders.) If everything is set up right Marvin will send reminders to the project lists. You might have been on the cusp this time a

invubator site svn issue?

2012-01-17 Thread Francis De Brabandere
francisdb@minotaur:/www/incubator.apache.org$ svn status ? vxquery ? bval ? wadi ? amber ? s4 ? kato ? flex ? stonehenge ? graffito ? kalumet ? kitty ? celix ? empire-db Also some of our files (empire-db) have been