Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Reynold Xin
Most non-trivial software projects I worked on (paid or un-paid) have RTC culture. I cannot represent every single project, but in the ones that I'm closely involved with that use RTC, it is simply part of the culture and recognition that mandatory code review improves code quality. (We can debate

Re: [DISCUSS] Impala incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Henry Robinson
Thanks all for the words of encouragement. We have added a new mentor to the proposal, which means that three different organisations are represented amongst the four mentors. If this thread is slowing down, I'd like to call start the [VOTE] early this week - so please do offer your comments here

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Todd Lipcon
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > Basing the "diversity" on affiliaiton (or any other arbitrary property) is > quite bogus - I am with you and Roy on this. All I want to make sure that > people who contributed code and, perhaps, became inactive for a period of > time

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Todd Lipcon
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > > > > The question is not to decide if C-T-R is The Apache Way over R-T-C. > The > > > question is wether a project entering incubation with a selected R-T-C > > > mode is likely to exit incubation for the simple reason it will be v

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Henry Saputra
I second that. Most Hadoop related projects have this strict RTC policy, so committers from those projects try to implement it to other projects they are involve with. On Sunday, November 22, 2015, Ralph Goers wrote: > Yes, it would be good to take a survey. Interestingly, I wasn’t aware > tha

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > anyway, I've read it again, in the context of what you've said here, and it > seems like we should not have included the Apache licensed dependencies in > the binary LICENSE file Yep that’s correct. > I didn't change the binary NOTICE files as I believe that their contents > are just Apach

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Branko Čibej
On 18.11.2015 01:35, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 04:50PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:53 AM, Todd Lipcon wrote: >>> ... >>> 1) You're right, I don't trust anybody to make code changes to a complex >>> project with zero oversight. I currently work on a pr

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Ralph Goers
Yes, it would be good to take a survey. Interestingly, I wasn’t aware that ANY Apache projects used RTC until I became involved with a project in the Hadoop ecosystem, which seems to align with Tood’s statement since all the projects he is listed as being involved in are part of that. In fact,

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Hi Cos, -Original Message- From: Konstantin Boudnik Reply-To: Date: Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 12:28 PM To: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal >On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:19PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Todd has answered this question already - that f

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:19PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote: > Hi, > > Todd has answered this question already - that folks will be invited > based on their contributions made during Incubation. The mentors on > this project have a history of being inclusive, so I think we’re fine > on that. >

Re: [DISCUSS] OpenMiracl for Incubation

2015-11-22 Thread Patrick Hilt
Hi Greg, thanks for the input. We definitely appreciate it. We currently discussing that internally and it’s great to hear from someone who has been through this. The approach you tookwith HAWQ is quite interesting. Thanks again, Patrick Patrick Hilt Chief Technology Officer MIRACL > On No

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
Hi, Todd has answered this question already - that folks will be invited based on their contributions made during Incubation. The mentors on this project have a history of being inclusive, so I think we’re fine on that. As for inviting people based on their company affiliation, this has been deal

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:12PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Emmanuel Lécharny > wrote: > > > > >> > > > Except that there seems to be great disagreement among the Members as to > > > whether RTC is somehow anti-Apache-Way. > > > > > > If you want to try to create an ASF

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 06:06PM, Todd Lipcon wrote: > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > > > > On the contrary... The business of the Incubator and IPMC is to help > > podlings > > and their communities to grok and follow the Apache Way. Trust is a > > foundation > > p

Re: [DISCUSS] Kudu incubator proposal

2015-11-22 Thread Konstantin Boudnik
My point exactly, thanks Henry! On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:51PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > Hi Todd, > > One concern, other IPMCs could help correct me if I am wrong, for > project that already open source and accepting contributions from > individuals which not part of initial committers is that it

Re: Kalumet retirement steps

2015-11-22 Thread Jean-Baptiste Onofré
+1 Regards JB On 11/19/2015 10:21 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: Thanks for speaking up, folks. Based on the information in this thread, I plan to resolve the copyright issue on Kalumet's podling status page with a resolution date of today. Technically, I have only received reassurances that the

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Joe Schaefer
Thank you Mary, and welcome aboard! You are an inspiration to others! On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Mary the sonnetor < marywantsalittlelamb...@gmail.com> wrote: > And another thing..it has no names so I do have a right for legal issues > and publication. > > inspirational laison > On 22 Nov

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Joe Schaefer
Thank you Mary and welcome aboard! You are an inspiration for others! On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Mary the sonnetor < marywantsalittlelamb...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm am in the process of learning all this fascinating tech things. That's > why I was looking at the different outputs. I'm so

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Mary the sonnetor
And another thing..it has no names so I do have a right for legal issues and publication. inspirational laison On 22 Nov 2015 08:45, "Stephen Mallette" wrote: > tbh, I've never found that licensing how-to document terribly clear - i > feel like i get a different read of it every time i go throug

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Mary the sonnetor
And another thing..it has no names so I do have a right for legal issues and publication. inspirational laison On 22 Nov 2015 09:02, marywantsalittlelamb...@gmail.com wrote: That's OK. I have it saved for a higher authority. inspirational laison On 22 Nov 2015 08:45, "Stephen Mallette" wrote:

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Mary the sonnetor
That's OK. I have it saved for a higher authority. inspirational laison On 22 Nov 2015 08:45, "Stephen Mallette" wrote: > tbh, I've never found that licensing how-to document terribly clear - i > feel like i get a different read of it every time i go through it. maybe > it's just me. > > anyway

Re: [VOTE] TinkerPop 3.1.0-incubating Release

2015-11-22 Thread Stephen Mallette
tbh, I've never found that licensing how-to document terribly clear - i feel like i get a different read of it every time i go through it. maybe it's just me. anyway, I've read it again, in the context of what you've said here, and it seems like we should not have included the Apache licensed dep

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Mary the sonnetor
I'm am in the process of learning all this fascinating tech things. That's why I was looking at the different outputs. I'm so not hurting or meddling in anybody's life nor I ever want to. Just like the opposing people received a chance. I too deserve 1. I'm sorry someone feels that way about me bu

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 5:42 AM, Harbs wrote: >... > If there is a disagreement, it seems to be part semantics, part version > control technologies (i.e. SVN optimized workflow vs Git optimized > workflow) and part an actual difference in how to handle certain > situations. It seems to me that th

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-22 Thread Harbs
So. After this long debate, it seems like no one is on either extreme of the CTR/RTC spectrum. The entire debate seems to be exactly where within the spectrum one likes to be. It seems reasonable that the exact position varies from project to project or even within different pieces within a pro