[CANCEL] [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

Hey guys At this point, to quote myself in a separate email, I've kicked up enough dust to get the right answers and discussion points happening. I'm canceling this vote. Its clear that for this to be effective, we need to get branding in order first across all of the podlings. John On Wed,

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > An even worse example than Eagle I’m a mentor of Eagle. Mea culpa, I took my eye off the ball. I’m asked them to do a branding audit and fix themselves. Julian

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On 6/29/16, 9:13 AM, "Shane Curcuru" wrote: > >> >> Hmmm not a bad idea. I'd still like to see us re-double the effort on >> resolving branding issues on the websites. Ultimately I'd like for >>mentors >> to own it, but that doesn't seem to happen due to mentor

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

John D. Ament wrote on 6/29/16 9:21 AM: > On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:18 AM Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >>> The presence of the word "incubator" in the URL is deliberate: it alerts >> users >>> that a podling is incubating. I'd feel better about this proposal if

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > >> The presence of the word "incubator" in the URL is deliberate: it alerts >> users >> that a podling is incubating. I'd feel better about this proposal if >> podlings >> weren't so successful about

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, 2016-06-29 at 14:43 +0200, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > We are not only talking about web sites. The discussion is, for > example, also about aliases for mailing lists. I'm aware that mailinglists work at either: it took me by surprise a while back. For them too there are a couple of

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 9:18 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > > The presence of the word "incubator" in the URL is deliberate: it alerts > users > > that a podling is incubating. I'd feel better about this proposal if > podlings > > weren't so successful about

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

Hi, > The presence of the word "incubator" in the URL is deliberate: it alerts users > that a podling is incubating. I'd feel better about this proposal if podlings > weren't so successful about concealing their incubation status[1][2]. > > -0, since the Incubator remains unserious about

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 (binding) Andy On 28/06/16 15:28, John D. Ament wrote: All, Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to the infra team on how to implement going forward. Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ podling.incubator.apache.org work, and have

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 8:41 AM Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > Marvin had sent out an audit of podlings out of alignment, we should > double > > check that as going through quarterly reports.

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:40 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > This vote makes me cranky. Everyone is focused on making it easier for > podlings. Is the goal of incubation to pass a graduation vote or to learn? True, but I don't think that life should be more difficult for

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Nick Kew wrote: > Perhaps it would make sense for $podling.apache.org to > issue a 302 redirect to the incubator? Then it's there > for people and search engines, but the potential for > being accidentally misleading is much reduced. We are not

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 8:01 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Marvin had sent out an audit of podlings out of alignment, we should double > check that as going through quarterly reports. This vote makes me cranky. Everyone is focused on making it easier for podlings. Is the

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

On Tue, 2016-06-28 at 14:28 +, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. I don't recollect it being discussed in these terms. Could it be that it's appeared as a sub-thread of

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 (binding) for the reasons already stated by others - reduces engagement friction as projects pass through the incubator. Having a clear indication on the site that the project is in incubation works better than the URL segment. Regards, Tim On 28/06/16 15:28, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > >

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

I'm eyeing some changes to http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html as well, so I don't mind picking this up. The issue originally came up as we found that many newly created podlings had working websites as $podling.apache.org in addition to $podling.i.a.o. Marvin had sent out an audit of

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

Hi, +1 but only if poddlings follow branding guidelines [1] (i.e. include disclaimer on website) I's also suggest that the inclusion of the incubator logo be changed to a MUST rather than a SHOULD as the URL may no longer include “incubator”. The page [1] may require a couple of minor edit as

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:58 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. > > Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ >

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 Looking forward to this one :) On Tuesday, June 28, 2016, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. > > Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 Niall On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:28 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. > > Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ >

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 It’s easy to change content (e.g. the incubation disclaimer at the top of the home page and in files that are part of the release) but it’s difficult to change URLs. Remember that projects are ongoing operations, before and after graduation, and they are trying to reduce friction in their

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 (binding) Having to switch domain names during graduation is a pain for users, SEO, printed t-shirts, etc. Especially after many podlings arrive from outside the ASF and already have to switch once when entering incubation, adding the second switch is aggravating. -Todd On Tue, Jun 28, 2016

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 (non-binding) On 28 Jun 2016 3:29 p.m., "John D. Ament" wrote: > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. > > Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ >

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 to implementing this in the future. -0 for retroactive implementation. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Flavio Junqueira wrote: > +1 > >> On 28 Jun 2016, at 15:28, John D. Ament wrote: >> >> All, >> >> Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to

Re: [VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

+1 > On 28 Jun 2016, at 15:28, John D. Ament wrote: > > All, > > Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to > the infra team on how to implement going forward. > > Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ >

[VOTE] $podling.apache.org is the same as $podling.incubator.apache.org

All, Its been discussed a few times, and I'd like to provide clear feedback to the infra team on how to implement going forward. Typically, the addresses $podling.apache.org and $ podling.incubator.apache.org work, and have worked for a while. This is a call to vote on whether the IPMC agrees