Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-19 Thread Santiago Gala
El vie, 17-04-2009 a las 10:41 +0100, Robert Burrell Donkin escribió: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Matt Benson gudnabr...@yahoo.com wrote: * IPMC informally agrees that the opinion of any TLP prospectively

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-19 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:38 AM, Santiago Gala santiago.g...@gmail.com wrote: I feel happy that TLPs have to exercise judgement calls. They decide if a small component is appropriate, the incubator handles IP clearance oversight and they adopt the one/two committers, handing community

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Matt Benson gudnabr...@yahoo.com wrote:  * IPMC informally agrees that the opinion of any TLP prospectively admitting a graduating podling as a subproject is of great weight with

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-17 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: opinions? Is there any purpose beyond having a process for process sake and, as you say, avoiding PMCs to make judgment

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO more process is sadly inevitable as apache scales If so, I think something dies with it... And critics saying that ASF is not sustainable was right. Well Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Matt Benson gudnabr...@yahoo.com wrote:  * IPMC informally agrees that the opinion of any TLP prospectively admitting a graduating podling as a subproject is of great weight with regard to whether the aggregate community situation would meet volume +

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-16 Thread Matt Benson
--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: From: Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org Subject: Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 4:47 AM On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Matt Benson

RE: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Matt Benson wrote: I'll apologize in advance because I will probably sound like a total dick in this email being that I'm irritated for unrelated reasons at the moment. LOL Sorry to hear it, but I must have missed the part where you were so acting. let it now be known that Commons will not

RE: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-16 Thread Matt Benson
--- On Thu, 4/16/09, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: From: Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com Subject: RE: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 11:30 AM Matt Benson wrote: I'll apologize in advance

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-15 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: Commons is working *now*. Just as Jakarta was working once. But Commons will most likely no longer work when it is growing too much. And the things discussed here (making Commons the target of many new

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-15 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: Commons is working *now*. Just as Jakarta was working once. But Commons will most likely no longer work when it is growing too much. And

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-14 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: There seems to be some concern in Commons that committers are a threat to the existing codebase. I know the concerns you mention and felt them very much in the discussion about JSch. But, at least for me personally, I

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-14 Thread Matt Benson
--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jochen Wiedmann jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2009, 1:22 AM On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:42 AM

Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-13 Thread Matt Benson
Received 3 declarations of intent to -1 (vote not in progress yet) from IPMC members so perhaps it's time to step back and talk about requirements since the proposed solution seems to sit unfavorably with several people on this list. Further commentary below: --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Noel J.

Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator

2009-04-13 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Matt Benson gudnabr...@yahoo.com wrote: The primary obstacle to Commons using the normal Incubator practices is the community exit requirements.  We feel that, due to the small size/scope of a Commons component, a podling graduating into Commons should be