Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Gilles Scokart wrote: > > It solve your problem of IPMC not being able to participate/follow > PPMC private discusion An other benefits is that the PPMC will learn > from their own private discussion, but also from the discussion of > other PPMC. There is no issue. Members have access to every p

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Gilles Scokart
At present all private list archives are available only to ASF Members. This is not policy so much as a pragmatic limitation of available ACLs. apmail is the owner and apmember is the group. We have talked about having a protected web interface to private lists, but thus no one has stepped

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi Upayavira, On Jun 20, 2007, at 12:04 PM, Upayavira wrote: Craig L Russell wrote: Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC member wh

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Gilles Scokart
My proposition might be stupid, but what if the IPMC had two private lists. One purely IPMC (to discuss things like accepting a new IPMC member) and an other used by IPMC and all PPMC? It solve your problem of IPMC not being able to participate/follow PPMC private discusion An other benefits is

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Craig L Russell wrote: Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC member who is exercising oversight in the specific case of a new committer t

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Craig L Russell
Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC member who is exercising oversight in the specific case of a new committer to be required to su

RE: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Upayavira wrote: > The implication here is that, if we consider the IPMC to have the role > of overseeing podlings Is there an "if" there? ;-) That *is* the job of the Incubator PMC, and it is the sole holder of that role. > IPMC members must have the necessary rights to do so. The Incubato

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Craig L Russell wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 1:37 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6/7/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All very good suggestions. ant elder wrote: > > How about changing it so; > > (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-19 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 19, 2007, at 1:37 PM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 6/7/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All very good suggestions. ant elder wrote: > > How about changing it so; > > (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is > starting on the poddl

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-19 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/7/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: All very good suggestions. ant elder wrote: > > How about changing it so; > > (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is > starting on the poddling's private list so IPMCers can participate in that > discuss

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Martin Sebor
FWIW, the process outlined below fully addresses my concerns I had with the original change. Martin ant elder wrote: [...] How about changing it so; (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is starting on the poddling's private list so IPMCers can participate in tha

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Craig L Russell
On Jun 7, 2007, at 2:35 AM, Paul Fremantle wrote: My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. Well, yes, there have been three threads on this subject in the past month, having about 50 emails on the subject. Please see the incubator-general archives with s

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
All very good suggestions. ant elder wrote: > > How about changing it so; > > (1) incubator-private is notified that discussion of a new committer is > starting on the poddling's private list so IPMCers can participate in that > discussion; > > (2) when the actual vote happens the incubator is

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Paul Fremantle
On 6/7/07, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: it's not a policy change everything outside http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html is guidance not policy. the document in question is CTR not RTC. Good point so, anyone feeling sufficiently strongly about th

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 6/7/07, ant elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/7/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. > > It has been pointed out to me that: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 > > The actual votes are

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Paul Fremantle
Thanks! I should have asked both ways :-) Its useful to know I'm not alone! Paul On 6/7/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 07 June 2007 17:35, Paul Fremantle wrote: > The actual votes are held on the private lists. I'm not sure I > understand that. I would have thought th

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 07 June 2007 17:35, Paul Fremantle wrote: > The actual votes are held on the private lists. I'm not sure I > understand that. I would have thought that - after having the pre-vote > discussion on the private lists, the main vote would happen on the > podling-dev and [EMAIL PROTECTED] li

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Mike Edwards
Ant +1 Mike. ant elder wrote: On 6/7/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. It has been pointed out to me that: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 The actual votes are held on the private l

Re: Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread ant elder
On 6/7/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. It has been pointed out to me that: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 The actual votes are held on the private lists. I'm not sure I understand that.

Podling Committer policy

2007-06-07 Thread Paul Fremantle
My apologies if I'm resurrecting something that was discussed extensively. It has been pointed out to me that: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-57 The actual votes are held on the private lists. I'm not sure I understand that. I would have thought that - after having the pre-vote