Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-06 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 9/5/05, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > > I suggest that we go further and make it a requirement > > > of graduation from the Incubator that the project > > > already has some people helping at infra@ > > > > That can only appl

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-06 Thread Leo Simons
On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 10:30:20AM +1000, David Crossley wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > David Crossley wrote: > > > > > I suggest that we go further and make it a requirement > > > of graduation from the Incubator that the project > > > already has some people helping at infra@ > > > > That

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-04 Thread David Crossley
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > > > I suggest that we go further and make it a requirement > > of graduation from the Incubator that the project > > already has some people helping at infra@ > > That can only apply if there are ASF Members willing to do it, because we > don't giv

RE: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
David Crossley wrote: > I suggest that we go further and make it a requirement > of graduation from the Incubator that the project > already has some people helping at infra@ That can only apply if there are ASF Members willing to do it, because we don't give apmail or root access to non-Members.

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 03 September 2005 02:56, Leo Simons wrote: > What *is* your intention? Are you helping us out here? How? In 2003, I was signing up for the infra@ list, on the basis of "I think I should really try to help out there, since it is what makes ASF tick." The message was essentially, hang a

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
Niclas, On 02-09-2005 17:25, "Niclas Hedhman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I honestly don't feel like "fueling" this thread, so please don't hesitate to > say I am outright stupid and don't know what I am talking about, and I'll > shut up as a good citizen... My intention is not to "whine". In th

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On September 2, 2005 7:24:54 PM +0200 Erik Abele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, infra could say 'no' more often or could simply shut down the services they don't want to administer. To be honest, I'd be fine with this (and its consequences (people/projects leaving, flamewars, what-have-you)

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Erik Abele
On 02.09.2005, at 17:25, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 02 September 2005 20:23, Erik Abele wrote: I honestly don't feel like "fueling" this thread, so please don't hesitate to say I am outright stupid and don't know what I am talking about, and I'll shut up as a good citizen... My intent

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 02 September 2005 20:23, Erik Abele wrote: I honestly don't feel like "fueling" this thread, so please don't hesitate to say I am outright stupid and don't know what I am talking about, and I'll shut up as a good citizen... My intention is not to "whine". > Why isn't that working for

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Davanum Srinivas
I understand compeltely. that's how i got (earned?) my wings. Let's make this explicit about what we are looking for from a newbie :) +1 to opening up repo. thanks, dims On 9/2/05, Erik Abele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02.09.2005, at 14:45, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > Sal and Ian from HP

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Erik Abele
On 02.09.2005, at 14:45, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Sal and Ian from HP expressed interest on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=webservices- general&m=111901932102075&w=2 Quoting: "What are the steps for me to get set up w/ admin rights for SVN? Once I get set up, I'll read up o

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Sal and Ian from HP expressed interest on [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=webservices-general&m=111901932102075&w=2 I gave them the pointers: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=webservices-general&m=111901966108282&w=2 They started a thread in infra@ mailing list: <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Erik Abele
On 02.09.2005, at 14:07, Davanum Srinivas wrote: Leo, Specifically 2 people asked read persmissions on the files. they were told that's not possible. Am NOT talking about root privs. Which files? Why? Who? Cheers, Erik -- dims On 9/2/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 02-09-20

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Erik Abele
On 02.09.2005, at 13:03, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Friday 02 September 2005 17:42, Leo Simons wrote: By all means, please help make it happen! Step 1 is subscribing to infrastructure _at_ apache _dot_ org, if you haven't already. After almost 2 years of trying to find angles of helping out,

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Leo, Specifically 2 people asked read persmissions on the files. they were told that's not possible. Am NOT talking about root privs. -- dims On 9/2/05, Leo Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02-09-2005 04:28, "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Several people on WS-PMC offered

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 02 September 2005 17:42, Leo Simons wrote: > By all means, please help make it happen! Step 1 is subscribing to > infrastructure _at_ apache _dot_ org, if you haven't already. After almost 2 years of trying to find angles of helping out, I finally gave up and unsubscribed a few weeks ba

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
On 02-09-2005 10:55, "Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leo's been behind a lot of design plans for that, and there's a CA > tool looming on the horizon. An improvement here would be for someone > (Leo?) to give us a better overall plan of what's requested and where > it fits. (...) > But

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
On 02-09-2005 08:27, "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: >> Now, I have suggested before, and still do, that infra starts/becomes a >> standard ASF project, source code, site, jira, wiki, dev mailing list and all >> the normal

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Leo Simons
On 02-09-2005 04:28, "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > as they are not members. NACK. There are lots of ways to help. I remember writing several e-mails detailing how. There are several non-members actively helpi

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread David Crossley
Henri Yandell wrote: > Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > > > as they are not members. > > > > This has been my impression as well. > > > > infra@ is begging for help, but seems to have problem with; > >

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On 9/2/05, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 02 September 2005 10:28, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > > as they are not members. > > This has been my impression as well. > > infra@ is begging for help, but see

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 14:19 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Now, I have suggested before, and still do, that infra starts/becomes a > standard ASF project, source code, site, jira, wiki, dev mailing list and all > the normal setup, including ordinary committers and contributors. Infra > places

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 02 September 2005 10:28, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > as they are not members. This has been my impression as well. infra@ is begging for help, but seems to have problem with; a. only members allowed in for the stuff

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Davanum Srinivas
i know :( it's disappointing too. -- dims On 9/1/05, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > > as they are not members. > > I find that surprising. We are actively encouraging > *committer

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread David Crossley
Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down > as they are not members. I find that surprising. We are actively encouraging *committers* to be involved. http://www.apache.org/dev/infra-volunteer.html There is plenty that they can do. I am not

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Davanum Srinivas
David, Several people on WS-PMC offered to help infra. They were turned down as they are not members. -- dims On 9/1/05, David Crossley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > > > Finally, new project communities need to "get" more than they seem to do > > now on average, that our inf

Re: The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread David Crossley
Leo Simons wrote: > > Finally, new project communities need to "get" more than they seem to do > now on average, that our infrastructure is run by volunteers and that > basically they should do a "fair share" of the infrastructural work. In > other words, we want (nay need!) some of the new people

The Incubator and Infrastructure

2005-09-01 Thread Leo Simons
Hi gang! For people with no time to read any further: if you're, as a committer, relatively new to apache, you should subscribe to infrastructure _at_ apache _dot_ org using your @apache.org e-mail address and spend some time reading http://www.apache.org/dev/. --- Here's an [EMAIL PROTECTED] ra