Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Rahul Akolkar wrote: If there is a connection to be drawn, I think many probably won't ;-) Always the risk with names that don't spell out precisely what name. You can easily be *too* clever, this could be one of those cases. I'd refrain from voting until a formal thread appears on the subj

Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 8/9/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All would be describable (assuming no clashes) as: > > Apache Jakarta Web Components > Apache Web Components > > There's the option of doing W*4J or something, but we can discuss that > later I think as it's just an altered presentation of th

Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
For what it's worth, I actually like Silk a great deal... in fact, I'd go ahead and give it my non-binding +1... I was the one that put the idea on the Wiki of a more codeword-ish name, and I think Silk is perfect. Frank Noel J. Bergman wrote: How about Apache Spider Web? No, but you just

RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> How about Apache Spider Web? No, but you just gave me an idea: Apache Silk Silk is what webs are made of. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hey, How about Apache Spider Web? ;) Sorts of like it traps things, double-entendre on the meaning of web, etc.. Just thought I'd throw it out there ;) Yoav --- "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term > > I have a shirt around here someo

RE: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Has there been any discussion with the Incubator PMC whether this > contribution needs to come through them? Or does this somehow not > fit into their purview? All external codebases brought into the ASF need to come through the Incubator. Sometimes, as Henri noted, that only requires the IP c

RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term I have a shirt around here someone regarding "Parts for Java", which was a product from ParcPlace. Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of the project than the name. --- Noel -

Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Felipe Leme
Martin Cooper wrote: Some other names were added to the wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/CreatingCommonsForWebComponents I forgot to add some names to that page: Webbies(has the same idea of weblets, but causing less confusion) Jakartlets (someone suggested we use a name without

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell
egal issues are likely simpler than other SF projects that have migrated into Apache. I don't know how much of the initial load of the Web Components/Common project is expected to come from javawebparts.sf.net. The initial load would be rearrangement of existing Jakarta codebase; some Co

Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 16:27 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote: > NOTE-2 > == > Despite the suitability of this name, we are hesitant to duplicate the > Commons brand and confuse the user. even though Apache WC would definitely tickled many brits... - robert

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
took a quick look at the javawebparts.sf.net site which currently > looks essentially like Frank Zammetti's personal site, nothing in the > CVS, only one committer, etc, so the legal issues are likely simpler > than other SF projects that have migrated into Apache. I

Re: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Martin Cooper
On 8/9/05, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Prior to calling a vote tomorrow, am I missing any potential names. This > is all I dredged out of the previous mail thread. 'webapp' was mentioned > instead of 'web'; but didn't seem to get any traction. > > > web b

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
> Yep, that's a decision we all make in contributing to the ASF communities. > Are you happy to go with the commuhnity view, or want to keep things > closer to your chest. I think too that it's maybe a little easier to go with the community view when its a project you didn't yourself give birth t

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell
how much of the initial load of the Web Components/Common project is expected to come from javawebparts.sf.net. The initial load would be rearrangement of existing Jakarta codebase; some Commons components and Taglibs. I can't see Frank's codebase being wanted without Frank himself being

WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell
Prior to calling a vote tomorrow, am I missing any potential names. This is all I dredged out of the previous mail thread. 'webapp' was mentioned instead of 'web'; but didn't seem to get any traction. web bricks web components web parts (NOTE-1) web commons

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Curt Arnold
t the javawebparts.sf.net site which currently looks essentially like Frank Zammetti's personal site, nothing in the CVS, only one committer, etc, so the legal issues are likely simpler than other SF projects that have migrated into Apache. I don't know how much of the initial load of the

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: +1. Let's leave Jakarta out of the names. It's assumed. So in the acronym example from Frank, it would be Apache Jakarta WP4J and not JWP4J. Makes sense. Firstly, don't worry about the committership part Frank. I'm certain that if you had a dec

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
> +1. > > Let's leave Jakarta out of the names. It's assumed. So in the acronym > example from Frank, it would be Apache Jakarta WP4J and not JWP4J. Makes sense. > Firstly, don't worry about the committership part Frank. I'm certain that > if you had a decently sized lump of code accepted, and wa

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On 8/9/05, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/8/05, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/8/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMO the proposal can be finished off pretty quickly but i'm unsure about the best way

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Martin Cooper
On 8/9/05, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/8/05, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/8/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > IMO the proposal can be finished off pretty quickly but i'm unsure about > > > the best way to handle the name issue.

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 8/8/05, Rahul Akolkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/8/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > IMO the proposal can be finished off pretty quickly but i'm unsure about > > the best way to handle the name issue. didn't seem to be any sort of a > > consensus. opinions? > I

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 8/8/05, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMO the proposal can be finished off pretty quickly but i'm unsure about > the best way to handle the name issue. didn't seem to be any sort of a > consensus. opinions? An informal thread was here [ http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jak

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread Felipe Leme
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: point)... It seems like there might be a risk of sub-projects within sub-projects within sub-projects, which I'm not sure would be the best organizational stucture... if you had Jakarta Taglibs as a sub-component of the JWP4J project (assume for the sake of argument that

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: AIUI everything will be flat: collective management and only social divisions. standard taglibs will become a jakarta sub-project. +1, I agree. BTW is there any real reason not to start the promotion process for standard taglibs ASAP? None

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 13:14 -0400, Frank W. Zammetti wrote: > On Mon, August 8, 2005 12:42 pm, robert burrell donkin said: > > On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 01:54 -0300, Felipe Leme wrote: > >> Anyway, the Jakarta Taglib Project has voted how it would like to take > >> part on this new project, and the

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
On Mon, August 8, 2005 12:42 pm, robert burrell donkin said: > On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 01:54 -0300, Felipe Leme wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> What's the status on the new project proposal? Has the discussion moved >> to another list or has it just staled? > > in a holding pattern: > > IMO the proposal c

Re: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-08 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 01:54 -0300, Felipe Leme wrote: > Hello all, > > What's the status on the new project proposal? Has the discussion moved > to another list or has it just staled? in a holding pattern: IMO the proposal can be finished off pretty quickly but i'm unsure about the best way to

Web Components/Common project

2005-08-07 Thread Felipe Leme
Hello all, What's the status on the new project proposal? Has the discussion moved to another list or has it just staled? Anyway, the Jakarta Taglib Project has voted how it would like to take part on this new project, and the result was: 1.The Jakarta Taglibs Project would like to be merge