[gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
Hello. Anatoly raised really important concern and currently I've started to think about fix. One possible solution requires virtual/editor to suite glep 37 and thus affects many packages. So... wondering why this change was not done I'd like to discuss the problem on the list. Problem: There

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possible solution is to add virtual/editor ebuild this is a horrible idea why not modify sudo to not filter the EDITOR env var then there is no more problem -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:34:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possible solution is to add virtual/editor ebuild this is a horrible idea why not modify sudo to not filter the EDITOR env var then there is no more problem Except

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 11/12/06, Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:34:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possible solution is to add virtual/editor ebuild this is a horrible idea why not modify sudo to not filter the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Thilo Bangert
why not modify sudo to not filter the EDITOR env var then there is no more problem no, there is a very valid reason why sudo filters the EDITOR env var. sudo should probably be fixed to (re)set the EDITOR variable to a 'safe' systemwide default, instead of stripping it completely. is there a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:56:33AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:34:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The possible solution is to add virtual/editor ebuild

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On 2006-11-12 at 04:34 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: why not modify sudo to not filter the EDITOR env var then there is no more problem Considering that this is the only situation where environment is dropped... yes this fixes sudo problem. The other possible solution is: #!/bin/bash export

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 11/12/06, Thilo Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there a list of sudo 'safe' EDITORs somewhere? then we end up with having to maintain a list of safe EDITORs and dealing with people who want to edit their own favorite editor the sudo file has the ability to specify editor's, so why not

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 05:26 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: then we end up with having to maintain a list of safe EDITORs and dealing with people who want to edit their own favorite editor the sudo file has the ability to specify editor's, so why not tell people to change their sudo config file

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
then we end up with having to maintain a list of safe EDITORs anddealing with people who want to edit their own favorite editor the sudo file has the ability to specify editor's, so why not tellpeople to change their sudo config file ?It's not automatic.Other way is remove virtual/editor. And set

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And does not prevents sudo from removing EDITOR from environment. in the example usages you cited, people where using `sudo` to just avoid running `su -` first ... in other words, their sudo was unlimited ... updating the sudoers file to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 12:27:12PM +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: work[3,4] (yes... if EDITOR is not set). But EDITOR *is not* set when program is started from sudo because sudo for security reasons drops environment (are there any other cases when environment is dropped?). You can set

[gentoo-dev] Re: [ANNOUNCE] Anonymous CVS and SVN now available

2006-11-12 Thread Ryan Hill
Robin H. Johnson wrote: KingTaco and I are pleased to announce that we've completed setting up and testing the anonymous read-only CVS and SVN services for Gentoo repositories, and that they are now available for use. Thanks go to: kengland, robbat2, kingtaco, ramereth, and several others

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 05:54 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: in the example usages you cited, people where using `sudo` to just avoid running `su -` first ... in other words, their sudo was unlimited ... updating the sudoers file to allow EDITOR via env_keep would work fine for them in that

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 11:06 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: You can set `Defaults env_keep=EDITOR` in your sudoers file if you want, or what I do is `Defaults:%wheel !env_reset`, to allow users in group wheel to use sudo without the environment being scrubbed. Of course I know about that. And I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: Or... what do you mean by that: the sudo file has the ability to specify editor's, so why not tell people to change their sudo config file ? English is not my native language thus may be I just misunderstood your idea here. Sorry. ...that the people should specify

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 02:32:56PM +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 11:06 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: You can set `Defaults env_keep=EDITOR` in your sudoers file if you want, or what I do is `Defaults:%wheel !env_reset`, to allow users in group wheel to use sudo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:30:48PM +0500, Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: You can set `Defaults env_keep=EDITOR` in your sudoers file if you want, or what I do is `Defaults:%wheel !env_reset`, to allow users in group wheel to use sudo without the environment being scrubbed. Ok. How you plan set

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 12:15 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: The only `hardcoded` editor is the fallback editor for visudo And this is the problem I'm talking about. I do not see any reasons to keep this not working fallback. There are parts of code that just do not work in Gentoo. which can be

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
This question is nonsensical. I guess you dont understand what sudodoes, it's too complicated to explain here, you should consult the documentation.I'm told about emerge package not runtime. May you don't understand me.Check sudo-1.6.8_p9-r2.ebuildIn DEPEND we see virtual/editor butin configure

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Anonymous CVS and SVN now available

2006-11-12 Thread Peter Volkov (pva)
On behalf of Russian translators team members I'd like to say thank you for your work guys! This greatly simplifies translators work to translate and keep translations updated. This also allows to create Russian website synchronized with gentoo.org also with Russian specific additions. Thank you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:21:21PM +0300, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 12:15 +, Tavis Ormandy wrote: The only `hardcoded` editor is the fallback editor for visudo And this is the problem I'm talking about. I do not see any reasons to keep this not working fallback.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency.

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harald van Dijk wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:56:33AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:34:25AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Peter Volkov (pva) [EMAIL

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo group on Flickr - repost from pl.g.o

2006-11-12 Thread Jason Huebel
On Tuesday 31 October 2006 6:00 am, Stuart Herbert wrote: Reposted from http://planet.gentoo.org for the devs who live in caves^H^H^Hdon't read planet.gentoo.org. Best regards, Stu -- http://www.flickr.com/groups/gentoo/ Whilst sat here this morning waiting for the NX packages to build,

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
Talking specifically about sudo, I think you're making a big deal out ofa very minor thing, primarily because I cannot think of a sane example of when $EDITOR and $VISUAL are not set and visudo (which requires aninteractive editor) would be invoked.It's problem exist for any package use configure

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 06:21:56PM +0500, Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: This question is nonsensical. I guess you dont understand what sudo does, it's too complicated to explain here, you should consult the documentation. I'm told about emerge package not runtime. May you don't understand me. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Retirement

2006-11-12 Thread Jason Huebel
On Friday 03 November 2006 1:15 pm, Jon Portnoy wrote: I've been mostly inactive for a good while but hanging on mostly for sentimentality's sake, it's past time for that to stop. I mostly only maintain a small handful of ebuilds, I'm sure they can find proper homes quickly. None are

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency.

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Doty
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: This question is nonsensical. I guess you dont understand what sudo does, it's too complicated to explain here, you should consult the documentation. I'm told about emerge package not runtime. May you don't understand

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency.

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 09:29:48AM -0600, Mike Doty wrote: then fcron(or whatever package this is from) is *broken* Either that, or you dont know what it does. Thanks, Tavis. -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | finger me for my pgp key.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
Check sudo-1.6.8_p9-r2.ebuild In DEPEND we see virtual/editor but in configure --with-editor=/bin/nano But virtual/editor can provide by vi nano etc editor. You think its right? DEPEND set virtual/editor but configure use nano as hardcoded editor. Yes, I think it's right. That option doesnt do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:38:52PM +0500, Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: I'm think if we set hardcoded editor nano at configure in sudo,ebuild its should DEPEND at nano editor not virtual/editor. Then you would be wrong. Use abstract depend provide by same packages and set hardcoded depend

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:17:18PM +0500, Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: Talking specifically about sudo, I think you're making a big deal out of a very minor thing, primarily because I cannot think of a sane example of when $EDITOR and $VISUAL are not set and visudo (which requires an interactive

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
Use abstract depend provide by same packages and set hardcoded depend provided by one package (nano) is right?No, is not right.But why it's not need change? I'm talk not only sudo.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
Doctor, it hurts when I do thisvery funny :) It isnt hardcoded, it's configurable.If this not hardcoded. I'm think use this at new fcron ebuild. This really close problem bug #149376 ;) No, you set the correct editor, I dont know which one you use. I'm told about ebuild. I'm can use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Tavis Ormandy
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:59:03PM +0500, Anatoly Shipitsin wrote: Use abstract depend provide by same packages and set hardcoded depend provided by one package (nano) is right? No, is not right. But why it's not need change? I'm talk not only sudo. I dont know about the other packages,

[gentoo-dev] openssh sftplogging patch

2006-11-12 Thread Rumi Szabolcs
Hi! Recently I have noticed that the openssh-4.4p1 ebuild lists the sftplogging use flag as deprecated (4.3 does have it). I found no mention of this being removed for any reason in the ChangeLog. Could anybody please tell what happened? Thanks! Regards, Sab -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
Although I do think you're making a big fuss over a tiny cosmeticissue. This changes need not for sudo. It's need for fcron. And probaly any package use define editor on configuration stage.

[gentoo-dev] New developer: Cédric Krier

2006-11-12 Thread Petteri Räty
It's my pleasure to introduce to you Cédric cedk Krier. He is joining us to help with the netmon herd. Previously he has been filling the bugzilla with new ebuilds and participating in the sunrise overlay. He hails from Liège, Belgium. He works as an architect engineer in a tiny company. He likes

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency.

2006-11-12 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:43:55AM -0600, Mike Doty wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Harald van Dijk wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:56:33AM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: On 11/12/06, Harald van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:34:25AM -0500,

[gentoo-dev] Re: Scheme Herd

2006-11-12 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Tach Hector, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Hector E. Gomez Morales schrieb: My name is Hector I am a CS student in third year. I have a interest in programming languages specially in functional programming, I have been using scheme for some time so I will like to

[gentoo-dev] Xbox-sources

2006-11-12 Thread Harlan Lieberman-Berg
Xbox-sources has multiple pending security bugs against it, and is unmaintained. As such, it is going into package.mask in the next few days, and will be removed from the tree 30 days after it goes into package.mask if no one takes over maintaining. -- Harlan Lieberman-Berg Gentoo Kernel

Re: [gentoo-dev] New developer: Cédric Krier

2006-11-12 Thread Stefaan
It's nice to see someone from nearby join Gentoo. (I live in Leuven) Welcome to the project!! I suppose we'll see you at the next FOSDEM? :) Stefaan -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:57:07 +0500 Anatoly Shipitsin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I do think you're making a big fuss over a tiny cosmetic issue. This changes need not for sudo. It's need for fcron. And probaly any package use define editor on configuration stage. No, it's

[gentoo-dev] Re: New developer: Cédric Krier

2006-11-12 Thread Markus Ullmann
Petteri Räty schrieb: So please give cedk the usual warm welcome. Welcome and make yourself at home :D Jokey -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Anonymous CVS and SVN now available

2006-11-12 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 10:33:00PM -0500, Michael Cummings wrote: On Sat, Nov 11, 2006 at 02:54:01AM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: svn has the following repos: gli glsr devmanual sandbox baselayout eselect apache livecd-tools hardened linux-patches catalyst hwdata gentoo-python

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Scheme Herd

2006-11-12 Thread Hector E. Gomez Morales
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Christian: Thanks for the response, I will try to help with all the bugs I can in dev-scheme, Matthew has sent me some pointers for becoming a developer and helping with the ebuilds. Hector Christian Faulhammer wrote: Tach Hector,

Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites for net-im/gabber and dev-libs/jabberoo

2006-11-12 Thread Olivier Crête
On Sun, 2006-01-10 at 11:08 -0400, Olivier Crête wrote: Hi, There have been no release since June 2004, the newer versions have p.masked since 2004. The older versions doesnt build. They have open bugs #62182, #88929 and #101581. I'll remove them on November 1st. Gabber is gone.. All

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
No, it's not needed for fcron at all, and I already explained why in[1]. Progressing through [2-4] I thought the fcron issue might have been fixed, but the virtual/editor discussion had started by then and Idecided I had nothing more to add. Again: fcron builds and works finewithout at all setting

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:20:09 +0500 Anatoly Shipitsin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without --with-editor fcrom configure get editor from enviroment parameter EDITOR. This is wrong see bug 149376. You mean I ought to go read the bug I referred to a few times in the message you are responding to?

Re: [gentoo-dev] openssh sftplogging patch

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 12 November 2006 11:38, Rumi Szabolcs wrote: Could anybody please tell what happened? it's been integrated upstream so there's no point in having a patch anymore -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 12 November 2006 06:29, Peter Volkov (pva) wrote: On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 05:54 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: in the example usages you cited, people where using `sudo` to just avoid running `su -` first ... in other words, their sudo was unlimited ... updating the sudoers file to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Xbox-sources

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Sunday 12 November 2006 16:16, Harlan Lieberman-Berg wrote: Xbox-sources has multiple pending security bugs against it #'s ? searching bugzilla for xbox doesnt give me any results -mike and is unmaintained. says you :P -mike pgpO3uvUpTD6Q.pgp Description: PGP signature

[gentoo-dev] add --docdir to default econf()

2006-11-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
how do people feel about adding --docdir=/usr/share/doc/${PF} to the default econf() arguments ? -mike pgpPzp9cOoqXM.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] add --docdir to default econf()

2006-11-12 Thread Doug Goldstein
Mike Frysinger wrote: how do people feel about adding --docdir=/usr/share/doc/${PF} to the default econf() arguments ? -mike As my first Gentoo related thing since my 3 day trip... Sounds great by me. I know it'll remove the need to do that manually in a couple of ebuilds since upstream uses

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resolve build time default editor dependency. (was: How get ebuild provider virtual/category.)

2006-11-12 Thread Anatoly Shipitsin
You mean I ought to go read the bug I referred to a few times in themessage you are responding to? I did. In fact, I wrote a lot of the comments there. I am CC'd on that bug. I even recorded the originalcomplaint on that bug stating that the ebuild should not rely on theenvironment to find a value

Re: [gentoo-dev] add --docdir to default econf()

2006-11-12 Thread Johannes Weiner
Hi, On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 12:51:45AM -0500, Doug Goldstein wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: how do people feel about adding --docdir=/usr/share/doc/${PF} to the default econf() arguments ? -mike [...] And it seems like a default which won't cause something unnecessary. Let's see how