[gentoo-dev] Testing git gx86 repos (and status update)

2014-09-29 Thread Michał Górny
Hello, everyone. Diego has given me a pretty neat machine to do some git testing, so I have a few repos for you to play with. But first some status update. I have four public repos now: 1. history.git -- that contains cvs2git conversion made by rich0 with some followup cleanup commits. You basic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > No, there isn't a need for a Council vote here. This is something up to > Releng (in respect to what is in the stages) and to everyone in respect to > what is part of the system set. I don't think many really care about defer

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 09/29/14 07:14, Rich Freeman wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: No, there isn't a need for a Council vote here. This is something up to Releng (in respect to what is in the stages) and to everyone in respect to what is part of the system set. I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Anthony G. Basile wrote: > Although, I must say, Jorge's is being little premature here, and I > doubt the Council will act rashly. So, while I was trying to be balanced in my reply, I'll admit it may have still been a bit too emotionally motivated. I think this

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Panagiotis Christopoulos
On 11:24 Sat 27 Sep , Anthony G. Basile wrote: > On 09/27/14 11:19, Mike Gilbert wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Ciaran McCreesh > > wrote: > >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > >> Luca Barbato wrote: > >>> Because I'd expect a stage3 to be posix compliant > >> I agree. It's t

[gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 21:45:49 +0200 Michał Górny wrote: > Hello, > > Let's keep it short: I think herds don't serve any special purpose > nowadays. Their existence is mostly resulting in lack of consistency > and inconveniences. On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: 1 )

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > 1 ) We should > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > so?) in favour of > 1b) a conversion to their respective tags > 1c) where the tag serves th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > > > 1 ) We should > > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > > so?) in favour of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Looking for alternative to RESTRICT=userpriv

2014-09-29 Thread Zac Medico
On 09/28/2014 09:23 PM, Steven J. Long wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 09:51:31PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 07/09/2014 07:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote: > c) 'esudo' helper [3]. This is a more generic form of (2), with > support for other potential privilege changes. > .. >>> I don't

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): >> This will lose the information if a maintainer is a project/team or >> an individual developer, which I think is still useful. >> >> Could we keep this information somehow? Maybe b

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 20:13:19 Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Michał Górny wrote: > > > Dnia 2014-09-29, o godz. 19:20:54 > > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a): > > >> This will lose the information if a maintainer is a project/team or > >> an individual developer, which I

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with whom? > 1 ) We should > 1a) deprecate the tag in metadata.xml (that's 17,856 files or > so?) in favou

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 04:05:19 + (UTC) "Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 13:22:45 +0100 > > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:47:14 +0200 > >> Luca Barbato wrote: > >>> Because I'd expect a stage3 to b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 06:08:11 +0200 Peter Stuge wrote: > Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > > I've stopped following this mailing list regularly quite sometime > > ago. To see this thread is still going on and no one bothered to cc > > releng, to me shows a lack of respect > > I expected you to

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 23:16:32 +0200 Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014 18:42:40 +0200 > Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > > On IRC we seem to have found some consensus about metadata.xml: > > IRC is huge; where did you manage to find consensus in there with > whom? I have no idea how to respond

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Looking for alternative to RESTRICT=userpriv

2014-09-29 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014, Zac Medico wrote: > On 09/28/2014, Steven J. Long wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2014, Zac Medico wrote: > >> The environment doesn't necessarily have to be isolated, since we could > >> extend the existing environment saving/loading support to be used for by > >> esudo. The steps

[gentoo-dev] Re: Add bc back to the stage3

2014-09-29 Thread Steven J. Long
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 04:05:19AM +, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto wrote: > It seems like everyone needs to "chill" a bit. ++ > On Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Tom Wijsman wrote: > > What is really needed here is a vote by the Council on whether to add bc > > back to the stage3. If the people do insist, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Ulrich Mueller
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > > [address of the herd] > [name of the herd] > The same tags shouldn't be used for different things. First of all, the tag is optional, so we cannot rely on its being present. Second, for a given e-mail address, some information is needed

[gentoo-dev] pybugz call for testers

2014-09-29 Thread William Hubbs
To all pybugz users, I need some folks to upgrade to pybugz- for a short time and see if you can break it. The big change is the inclusion of default configuration files as well as the ability for the sys admin and for an individual user to override configuration information. Also, now the co

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Deprecating and killing herds in metadata.xml

2014-09-29 Thread Rich Freeman
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Ulrich Mueller wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2014, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > >> Please provide some examples of when and how that piece of >> information, "herd", is important. > > Don't shift the burden of proof, please. > Meh, knowing if the status quo is useful is