ere we were with gtk1 vs gtk2 back then.
http://marc.info/?l=gentoo-dev&m=111212920310822&w=2
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> the bug for ya?
This is not the level of friendliness that is going to welcome potential
new contributors into our community.
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uild without a feature is important enough
to merit a USE flag. This is essentially rethinking the same decision
and adding complexity to it. I think having this as an additional
feature in the core PM would be confusing to users.
It would probably be a better fit in gentoolkit o
other optional languages and disabled by default, but I'd like to know
> if there are other opinions.
It's essentially only used by the small minority of people installing
sci-* packages so I'd be fine with that. Reasonable defaults FTW.
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On 12:31 Mon 23 Dec , Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:07:21 -0600
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> > Seems we should add repoman support to check profiles/. Spec mandates
> > that are not implemented in any tool are unlikely to be adhered to.
>
&g
e though. Is this allowed?
>
> The PMS does not allow it:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~ulm/pms/5/pms.html#x1-390004.4.4
Seems we should add repoman support to check profiles/. Spec mandates
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pport in 30 days (which can't be done directly in
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"Otherwise a soft limit of 2 to 4 weeks depending on the severity of the
bug is an acceptable time frame before you go ahead and fix it
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ne - or someone else might just want to
> read through some old threads and do the same.
There's https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=333531
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ther words, this is the standard Gentoo disclaimer, so consider
> yourself warned.
Man, in terms of how to phrase things, this is way wrong.
If you're comfortable with your stuff breaking really? No. If you want
to help improve Gentoo.
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April so I'd avoid those.
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future."
I didn't catch it in your original email — have you run a scan to see
how many ebuilds are affected?
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etty much the whole ck- patchset (Con Kolivas), grsec, FreeS/WAN and
OpenS/WAN, the bootsplash stuff, etc.
> 2) we can carry some patches from upstreams trees that possibly aren't yet in
> -next, or not yet accepted to mainline but do provide some benefit to a
> smaller
> group of our
You are not forced to participate. It's all about choice. If
> there are no objections and if the PR team gives an ack. I'd like to
> add video hangouts under the PR project (I'll create a simple faq page
> in wiki about VCs).
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ng Gentoo than to do outreach.
That said, I've gotten over 10,000 views of an intro talk on Gentoo
that's posted on YouTube despite its pretty bad audio quality, and
nearly 2,000 views of a Gentoo talk targeted at developers, so there's
clearly people looking for this stuff.
[2] and a few tags
> for reviewing patches [3] (those are probably not useful for us).
This is the part that would be most useful to document more. Suggesting
which tags would be valuable to include. Fixes, Reviewed-by,
Signed-off-by, etc.
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ear vision and audience for Gentoo would
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anything but frontend theming and content.
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me we can eliminate
Gentoo-specific weirdness, we should.
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ce; consider the time of the 100s/1000s who
read it. Your value and impact will increase exponentially.
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On 04:22 Fri 23 Nov , Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 08:22:10PM -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 11:11 Sun 18 Nov , Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > > Here's a list of every package where I'm a maintainer and there is no
> > >
hoping somebody is taking this?
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in a nearly anarchic, ad hoc manner, where anyone can do pretty much
whatever they want as an official Gentoo project.
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running it pretty well.
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On 16:27 Sun 13 May , Mike Gilbert wrote:
> To make ebuilds utilizing python-distutils-ng.eclass usable
I didn't read any farther because I couldn't stop laughing. What will
the next version of this eclass be called, -ng-ng? -really-ng? =)
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;ve kept the old
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> portage generates a NEEDED file in the vdb
Awesome, never seen that before!
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estly, I'd get rid of it sooner --
> but almost four months seem to be a safe period considering that we
> are still in 'testing' stage mostly.
So other systemd-using distros have it in /usr? I'd follow their
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sure. Seems to me that pointing to the website for
plaintext docs like this is kinda defeating the point of these news
items. It's certainly more news rather than a long-term useful document,
because at some point the change will happen, and then things are just
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on an extremely high-speed, low-latency network, beyond what was
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be worth exploring again now that 25-100 mbps connections are becoming
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On 05:16 Fri 02 Dec , Duncan wrote:
> TL;DR: reiserfs (v3), for both caps and XT_PAX ??
A bit OT, but I find it incredibly ironic that perhaps the shortest
email you've ever written contained a TL;DR segment.
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> personally, i've never found .rej useful.
It's nice if you use dev-util/wiggle.
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On 12:22 Thu 20 Oct , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Thursday 20 October 2011 11:58:44 Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 01:26 Thu 20 Oct , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 19 October 2011 15:40:50 Brian Harring wrote:
> > > > Name's a bit off thoug
iuse_use" ? or "use_iuse" ?
> -mike
use_in_iuse ?
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On 09:55 Mon 10 Oct , Michał Górny wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 21:08:43 -0500
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 10:21 Sun 09 Oct , Michał Górny wrote:
> > > We're calling it with '--patch-only' to avoid heavy changes to
> > > ebuilds. This sh
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sure to have the correct version installed before proceeding. Blaming
> that on qutecom is far-fetched IMO.
There's like a million packages that use features in linux-headers, so
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On 18:04 Thu 22 Sep , Alec Warner wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > I do, because I don't have time to deal with other people breaking
> > my packages, whether they're in gentoo-x86, the science overlay, or
> > my person
On 09:37 Wed 21 Sep , Alec Warner wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Not really, because when you update a bundled lib you actually make
> > your whole app compile with it. People change the APIs of eclasses
> > and then just let ev
with that?
> >
>
> As Scarabeus wrote 99% of the eclass it's probably not obvious to
> everyone that Donnie is listed as its maintainer.
And as Michał is making many of the changes recently because scarabeus
got busy and the eclass works fine for me already, I figure it
On 14:20 Tue 20 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:16:46PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > OK, so the implication of what you're saying is that everything in
> > eutils.eclass, base.eclass, toolchain-funcs.eclass,
> > flag-o-matic.
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On 04:22 Sun 18 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 10:59:08PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 13:43 Fri 16 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> > > What I said from the getgo and you're missing is that pushing EAPI
> > > implementation int
keep everything in lockstep because who knows what other people will do
with their repos. Maybe people would want to distribute their own copies
of forked dependent repositories too, I haven't thought much about it.
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r supporting package managers have been
> available in stable.
So in your opinion, it would be fine to bump profiles/eapi to EAPI=4
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> on huge chunk, or not sending patches at all.
+1, except parts of them were dependent. =) Maybe use some `git rebase
--interactive` next time..
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-mask names' (similar to USE flag names)
> to lists of directories and possibly descriptions.
Do something like layman or repoman where it auto-fetches periodically.
Layman has the advantage of also supporting add-on files in addition to
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> overrides (which is where the notion of repo stacking comes into
> play).
I think I explained above, but let me know if that's not the case.
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On 17:29 Wed 14 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 02:16:41PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 19:14 Tue 13 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:02:28PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > > On 17:56 Tue 13
On 06:34 Wed 14 Sep , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:02:28 -0500
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 17:56 Tue 13 Sep , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > useful enough for EAPI ? or should i just stick it into
> > > eutils.eclass ? OR BOTH !?
&
On 19:14 Tue 13 Sep , Brian Harring wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 09:02:28PM -0500, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 17:56 Tue 13 Sep , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > useful enough for EAPI ? or should i just stick it into eutils.eclass
> > > ? OR BOTH !?
>
On 17:56 Tue 13 Sep , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> useful enough for EAPI ? or should i just stick it into eutils.eclass
> ? OR BOTH !?
I prefer to avoid EAPI whenever possible, as it just makes things slower
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On 17:58 Tue 13 Sep , Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On 09/13/11 16:44, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > It's because people want to pretend that it's possible for
> > incredibly outdated systems (those with bash-3 only) to be updated.
>
> Actually it's worse - PMS e
gt; # information it will all neede variables and takes care of installation.
Lots of typos here.
> HOMEPAGE="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:OSC";
> LICENSE="GPL-2"
> SLOT="0"
> IUSE=""
> RDEPEND+="dev-util/osc"
You probably want
#x27;s possible for incredibly
outdated systems (those with bash-3 only) to be updated.
We're stuck in this limbo because "we" have apparently decided that just
waiting a year, as we used to do, isn't good enough anymore; but at the
same time, we don't have a better mechan
gt;
> 'in_iuse' or 'iuse_contains'?
I'd prefer to keep consistency with the parent function has(), so it's
obvious exactly how it will work.
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On 23:58 Mon 12 Sep , Michał Górny wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:00:20 -0500
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > local f
> > > for f in $(find "${D}" -type f -name '*.la'); do
> > > # Keep only .la files with shouldnotlink=yes
ve .pc files).
It's probably more that "nobody" cares about static building than that
there aren't packages that would break.
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comment says "or" but I see an "and" here.
> + -e
> "s/^dependency_libs='\(.*\)'$/\1/p" \
> + -e
> "s/^inherited_linker_fla
ersion bumps to a
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On 14:44 Thu 01 Sep , Petteri Räty wrote:
> One thing to note is that we should get eqawarn into the next EAPI.
Why?
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On 17:51 Wed 31 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz schrieb:
> > On 23:12 Thu 25 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> >> Existing users will not be switched automatically.
> >
> > Why not? If it's considered the suppo
On 23:12 Thu 25 Aug , Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote:
> Existing users will not be switched automatically.
Why not? If it's considered the supported route going forward, we should
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s like adding packages to the tree that collect data from users
> and compile it,
Like, oh, any package with a built-in bug reporting system?
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4. http://soc.dev.gentoo.org/~darkdefender/ebuildgenerator
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source" clause rather than the "providing
source at the same time as binary" clause (i.e., 3b rather than 3a in
GPL-2).
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On 21:23 Tue 16 Aug , Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> A side-note that we've wanted to get out to all devs is that everyone
> should *always* use IUSE="+introspection".
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sion across packages, and furthmore, package
moves wouldn't duplicate history.
If you're interested in fixing the above problems as well as the ones
that exist regardless of repo format (linked on the main tracker bug
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On 14:40 Tue 19 Jul , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 14:32, Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> > W dniu 19.07.2011 19:31, Donnie Berkholz pisze:
> >> On 11:43 Sun 17 Jul , Kacper Kowalik wrote:
> >>> W dniu 17.07.2011 10:45, Kfir Lavi pisze:
> >>
and fix
you're proposing? You stopped halfway through, there should've been a
part at the end that said:
", so you need to do XX to avoid YY from happening".
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every
couple of months to help every time one of these weird problems comes
up. I recommended upgrades to the new admin every 3 months, which is a
point where nearly everything still works cleanly.
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3) Something like the --take argument and friends that Ciaran mentioned
seems reasonable (perhaps --accept-suggestion, w/ a short option to
save typing).
Problems? Other thoughts?
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g us what to _not_ use as separator how about suggesting a
> list of konwn to be good separators for such cases. How about the @ character?
One of my favorites for weird cases is ~.
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On a related note that would accomplish similar purposes, it would also
be nice if we could somehow discriminate between DEPEND and RDEPEND for
@system packages so build-only deps could be removed.
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Perhaps interested people on the team could just say they want to be
lead, and the council would pick one of them. I think leadership should
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actually attempt to factor out which USE flags result in which files in
an automatic fashion. That would address one of the biggest objections
many people have had to such a package-to-file search engine.
It would also be pretty useful for some other GSoC projects, like the
ebuild gene
; (section 12.2)
It seems compliant to me, as S is assigned an invariant value that
happens to contain the character '*', which is overwritten with a new
value as a local variable in ebuild functions. Sample code in listing
12.1 in my copy of the PMS seems to suggest this is perfec
us to also
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clear on what exactly happens though,
since I've seen people talking about this *maybe* resulting in an
unbootable system. Has anyone tested it?
One potential cleaner approach to the same idea Kfir suggested is to
make it an interactive emerge with an ACCEPT_LICENSE-like feature that
pops up some
On 15:48 Mon 18 Apr , Corentin Chary wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > - Another useful thing would be a way to supply CPV tokens for any
> > "unstable" upstream series that we'll never add to the tree.
>
> There is alre
On 15:48 Mon 18 Apr , Corentin Chary wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > - Some teams have "official" overlays. Supporting those as an additional
> > source of ebuilds would be pretty nice.
>
> I'll just checkout these
the tree.
- This looks like a problem (a versioned tarball named cairo-5c):
http://euscan.iksaif.net/package/x11-libs/cairo/
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people will start laughing at
yet another "new" init system. =)
If there's a guide around already, or a blog post, or you want to draft
something, let me know and I'd be happy to polish it up.
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ad a nifty news system for making announcements. And I
> thought we were supposed to have Smolt support like two years ago. What
> happened to it?
I wonder the same question too, since it seems statistics is an
eternally returning GSoC project.
Sebastian, you worked on this in 2009. What ne
the same thing with numerous serious,
unfixed bugs or tinderbox errors means something much different.
We have the ability to do these kinds of intersections today, since our
wonderful bug wranglers normally insert the $CAT/$PN into summaries and
Diego has tinderbox bugs filed.
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-d "${ED}/usr/lib" && "$(get_libdir)" != "lib" ]]
No need for quotes when expanding variables or functions inside [[ ]].
That holds true for the rest of the diff, too. I'd also split this (and
a later find call) into two separate conditionals, with just one test
per [[ ]].
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erhaps we could detect whether
submodules are in use (need to find the right place/way in git), then
grab them as separate bare checkouts that would eventually be cloned
into TMPDIR by changing the repo location git looks for (again, need to
sort out how in git).
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--disable-jisx0201
> + --disable-koi8-r"
> + fi
Any chance we can just clean out the fonts that still use the old way
and delete most of this?
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ngs over ...
>
> Or better yet, git clone.
This could work well with --shared; even worked for me on separate
partitions.
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so before we
decided it was definitely a zombie and burned it to a crisp.
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packages,
but clearly more investigation is required before removal.
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On 07:50 Tue 08 Mar , Hans de Graaff wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 08:13 -0600, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> > Thanks! One thing I've been very interested about in 3.x and 4.x is API
> > access that's better than screen-scraping. I tried using the
> > py
On 16:35 Mon 07 Mar , Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 15:13, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Thanks! One thing I've been very interested about in 3.x and 4.x is API
> > access that's better than screen-scraping. I tried using the
> > python-bugzill
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