On Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:32:40 +0800
Ben de Groot wrote:
> On 4 February 2015 at 17:26, Alexis Ballier
> wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:12:12 +0100
> > Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> >
> >> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo
> >> default for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounc
On 4 February 2015 at 17:26, Alexis Ballier wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:12:12 +0100
> Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>
>> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
>> for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
>> being listed first in || ( ) depen
On 7 February 2015 at 07:03, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
> Welp, the votes clearly show ffmpeg is desired by users.
>
> Can we stop this nonsense and just do that? The people have spoken.
>
> Ffmpeg shall be default.
Except Gentoo is not a democracy.
It is still important data to take into conside
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On 06/02/15 11:49, Ben de Groot wrote:
> Since we introduced the libav useflag, we have now a way to
> finally make mpv-0.7* (using the upstream recommended ffmpeg as
> default) visible to ~arch users, without the need to unmask it.
> Users who
On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 00:03:26 +0100
"Jason A. Donenfeld" wrote:
> Welp, the votes clearly show ffmpeg is desired by users.
>
> Can we stop this nonsense and just do that? The people have spoken.
Usually when there's a forums poll, the wise course of action is to do
the opposite of what it says.
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Welp, the votes clearly show ffmpeg is desired by users.
Can we stop this nonsense and just do that? The people have spoken.
Ffmpeg shall be default.
On 6 February 2015 at 00:20, hasufell wrote:
> Ben de Groot:
>> On 4 February 2015 at 21:49, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
>> wrote:
>>> Ulrich Mueller schrieb:
In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=7694982
several users have expressed their preference for ffmpe
Rich Freeman schrieb:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:20 AM, hasufell wrote:
57% is not "pretty strongly". It's a bit more than the half.
Sure, but libav as the default only got 5% of the vote. I think the
poll suffers from over-complexity. :)
I tried to choose the options' wording carefully, i
On 4 February 2015 at 20:43, Mike Auty wrote:
> Whilst the default *is* still in place (and particularly after the
> recent news article detailing that users should be using libav), could
> we please keep commits like the following until *after* we've made an
> agreed upon decision please?
>
> htt
"viv...@gmail.com" napisał:
>Il 04/02/2015 10:24, Ben de Groot ha scritto:
>> From an upstream that I care about:
>> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav Based on
>> that I would say we should switch back the default to ffmpeg.
>
>on that page I see a information about wh
Il 04/02/2015 10:24, Ben de Groot ha scritto:
> From an upstream that I care about:
> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav Based on
> that I would say we should switch back the default to ffmpeg.
on that page I see a information about why gentoo should stick with
libav, beca
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On 02/04/2015 04:43 AM, Mike Auty wrote:
> It's fine to have disagreements, but airing them in front of the
> users like this is not an ideal situation...
As a user and prospective developer, why? Transparency is important to
open communities like Ge
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:20 AM, hasufell wrote:
>
> 57% is not "pretty strongly". It's a bit more than the half.
>
Sure, but libav as the default only got 5% of the vote. I think the
poll suffers from over-complexity. :)
I don't think we should be putting all of our stock in forum polls,
but
Ben de Groot:
> On 4 February 2015 at 21:49, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
> wrote:
>> Ulrich Mueller schrieb:
>>>
>>> In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=7694982
>>> several users have expressed their preference for ffmpeg.
>>
>> To help finding out what users actually think
On 4 February 2015 at 21:49, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
wrote:
> Ulrich Mueller schrieb:
>>
>> In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=7694982
>> several users have expressed their preference for ffmpeg.
>
> To help finding out what users actually think, I added a poll to the
> This to me is still the ideal solution (not the || deps due to the
> issues they have, but the soft default) -- why is it that we need to
> actually choose or force a default implementation in the profiles anyhow??
Because blockers resulted whenever two different packages made portage pick
two
On Wednesday 04 February 2015 09:49:02 Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> In other words, we didn't actually have a default, we just had a means
> that portage would choose one of them if the end-user haddn't chosen
> already.
>
> This to me is still the ideal solution (not the || deps due to the
> issues
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
>
> This to me is still the ideal solution (not the || deps due to the
> issues they have, but the soft default) -- why is it that we need to
> actually choose or force a default implementation in the profiles anyhow??
>
I think this is an o
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 09:49:02
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> On 04/02/15 09:27 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 14:41:06 Alexis Ballier
> > napisał(a):
> >
> >> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:30:56 +0100 Michał Górny
> >> w
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On 04/02/15 09:27 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 14:41:06 Alexis Ballier
> napisał(a):
>
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:30:56 +0100 Michał Górny
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> It wasn't only weak but quite inconsistent too. Some packages
>>> ha
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 14:41:06
Alexis Ballier napisał(a):
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:30:56 +0100
> Michał Górny wrote:
> >
> > It wasn't only weak but quite inconsistent too. Some packages had
> > their own || deps, with different order.
> >
>
> this was to reflect upstreams preferences
The
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:09 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 11:04:57
> "Jason A. Donenfeld" napisał(a):
>
>> I'd like to insert, early on in this thread, that we must leave personal
>> biases and associations *out* of this discussion, and instead focus on
>> technical merits an
Ulrich Mueller schrieb:
In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=7694982
several users have expressed their preference for ffmpeg.
To help finding out what users actually think, I added a poll to the
forum to ask them about their preference.
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtop
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:30:56 +0100
Michał Górny wrote:
>
> It wasn't only weak but quite inconsistent too. Some packages had
> their own || deps, with different order.
>
this was to reflect upstreams preferences
On 04/02/15 14:25, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote:
By now it should be clear to most people that everything goes smoother,
works better for the end user, and causes less breakage when *ffmpeg is the
default, not libav*.
"Works better" is a matter of perception, if I (and the few that help me
not afr
Ulrich Mueller napisał:
>> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015, Matthias Maier wrote:
>
>>> So can someone please remind me what are the technical reasons why
>we
>>> prefer libav over ffmpeg?
>
>> *ugh* Please no.
>
>> What about leaving the default (if there ever was such a default) as
>it
>> is and avoid
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 13:57:55 +0100
Luca Barbato wrote:
> On 04/02/15 11:40, Michał Górny wrote:
> > It's easiest to look at the trackers:
> >
> > - ffmpeg-2 [1] -- 26/26 fixed,
> > - ffmpeg-2.4 [2] -- 3/3 fixed (but unsure if there won't be more),
> > - libav-9 [3] -- 55/55 fixed,
> > - libav-10
On 04/02/15 11:40, Michał Górny wrote:
It's easiest to look at the trackers:
- ffmpeg-2 [1] -- 26/26 fixed,
- ffmpeg-2.4 [2] -- 3/3 fixed (but unsure if there won't be more),
- libav-9 [3] -- 55/55 fixed,
- libav-10 [4] -- 11/25 fixed.
No offense here but in my experience, ffmpeg support in Gen
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Hi,
Whilst the default *is* still in place (and particularly after the
recent news article detailing that users should be using libav), could
we please keep commits like the following until *after* we've made an
agreed upon decision please?
http://so
> On Wed, 04 Feb 2015, Matthias Maier wrote:
>> So can someone please remind me what are the technical reasons why we
>> prefer libav over ffmpeg?
> *ugh* Please no.
> What about leaving the default (if there ever was such a default) as it
> is and avoid the otherwise imminent trainwreck?
A
> So can someone please remind me what are the technical reasons why we
> prefer libav over ffmpeg?
*ugh* Please no.
What about leaving the default (if there ever was such a default) as it
is and avoid the otherwise imminent trainwreck?
Best,
Matthias
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El mié, 04-02-2015 a las 11:40 +0100, Michał Górny escribió:
[...]
> It's easiest to look at the trackers:
>
> - ffmpeg-2 [1] -- 26/26 fixed,
> - ffmpeg-2.4 [2] -- 3/3 fixed (but unsure if there won't be more),
> - libav-9 [3] -- 55/55 fixed,
> - libav-10 [4] -- 11/25 fixed.
>
> No offense here b
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 10:26:06
Alexis Ballier napisał(a):
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:12:12 +0100
> Ulrich Mueller wrote:
>
> > With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
> > for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
> > being listed first
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 11:04:57
"Jason A. Donenfeld" napisał(a):
> I'd like to insert, early on in this thread, that we must leave personal
> biases and associations *out* of this discussion, and instead focus on
> technical merits and analyses only. Thus, I would *strongly encourage* that
> au
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 18:01:57
Ben de Groot napisał(a):
> On 4 February 2015 at 17:55, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 17:24:03
> > Ben de Groot napisał(a):
> >
> >> From an upstream that I care about:
> >> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav
> >>
> >>
I'd like to insert, early on in this thread, that we must leave personal
biases and associations *out* of this discussion, and instead focus on
technical merits and analyses only. Thus, I would *strongly encourage* that
authors of libav and ffmpeg will *refrain from joining this discussion* in
orde
On 4 February 2015 at 17:55, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 17:24:03
> Ben de Groot napisał(a):
>
>> From an upstream that I care about:
>> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav
>>
>> Based on that I would say we should switch back the default to ffmpeg.
>
> F
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
>
> From what I heard, that upstream likes to change its opinion
> frequently, pretty much based on which upstream he is pissed at
> the moment. But it's just rumors.
>
This is most certainly untrue. Please stop disseminating FUD like this.
The
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 17:24:03
Ben de Groot napisał(a):
> On 4 February 2015 at 17:21, Michał Górny wrote:
> > Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 10:12:12
> > Ulrich Mueller napisał(a):
> >
> >> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
> >> for ffmpeg vs libav is more pro
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 10:12:12
> Ulrich Mueller napisał(a):
>
> > So can someone please remind me what are the technical reasons why we
> > prefer libav over ffmpeg?
>
> We have a developer inside
>
I think it's time to end this cronyism
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
>
>
> From an upstream that I care about:
> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav
>
> Based on that I would say we should switch back the default to ffmpeg.
>
I can vouch for the content of that link and the expert opinion
El mié, 04-02-2015 a las 17:24 +0800, Ben de Groot escribió:
[...]
> From an upstream that I care about:
> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FFmpeg-versus-Libav
>
> Based on that I would say we should switch back the default to ffmpeg.
Thanks a lot for the link
On Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:12:12 +0100
Ulrich Mueller wrote:
> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
> for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
> being listed first in || ( ) dependencies).
>
> In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/vi
On 4 February 2015 at 17:21, Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 10:12:12
> Ulrich Mueller napisał(a):
>
>> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
>> for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
>> being listed first in || ( ) de
Dnia 2015-02-04, o godz. 10:12:12
Ulrich Mueller napisał(a):
> With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
> for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
> being listed first in || ( ) dependencies).
>
> In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.o
With the recent introduction of the libav USE flag, the Gentoo default
for ffmpeg vs libav is more pronounced than it was before (with libav
being listed first in || ( ) dependencies).
In the replies to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=7694982
several users have expressed their preference
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