Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-22 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 07:22:42PM +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > Personally I'd just kill auto-use support in the next "big" portage > upgrade (and USE_ORDER with it as disabling auto-use is the only > real application of it that I'm aware of). works for me -mike -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing l

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-22 Thread Marius Mauch
On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 00:06:38 +0100 Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:23:19 +0100 > "Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 11:55 -0800, Michael Marineau wrote: > > > > > For users who do like the functionality jus

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-20 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:23:19 +0100 "Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 11:55 -0800, Michael Marineau wrote: > > > For users who do like the functionality just properly document > > the existance of USE_ORDER in the install guide. > > However, I'd -also- want

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-20 Thread Spider (D.m.D. Lj.)
On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 11:55 -0800, Michael Marineau wrote: > However changing this will also lead to many supprises and tick off many > users who don't know why a bunch of flags just vanished. How about we > leave the feature in portage but remove auto from USE_ORDER in the > 2006.0 profile and pu

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-20 Thread Michael Marineau
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:18:58AM -0800, Drake Wyrm wrote: > >>Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one >>>specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in a >>>dep, that in turn enables t

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 11:18:58AM -0800, Drake Wyrm wrote: > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one > > specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in a > > dep, that in turn enables that use flag globally, it's

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Zac Medico
Drake Wyrm wrote: Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in a dep, that in turn enables that use flag globally, it's obviously not what I intended and forces me to add

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Jakub Moc
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 18.11.2005, 20:18:58, Drake Wyrm wrote: > Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one >> specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in a >> dep, that in turn enables th

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:45:25 + Kurt Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | We've been using the USE="-* foo bar" method on all of our | infrastructure servers since as far back as I can remember and have | never had a problem as a result. | | Not trying to fan the flames one way or the other -- j

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Kurt Lieber
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 07:31:30PM + or thereabouts, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | Put USE="-* oneuse twouse reduse blueuse" in make.conf to set the > | globals, and _then_ start tweaking in "package.use". > > ...and then watch your system explode because you didn't set various > USE flags which

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:18:58 -0800 Drake Wyrm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one | > specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in | > a dep, that in turn enables that use flag g

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Drake Wyrm
Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I don't think so... If I want to enable a feature for one > specific ebuild and a USE flag in /etc/portage/package.use pulls in a > dep, that in turn enables that use flag globally, it's obviously not > what I intended and forces me to add yet another -f

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Jakub Moc
18.11.2005, 16:43:12, Mike Frysinger wrote: > i see no reason to keep use.defaults around anymore, i think the rest of our > config/profile system covers for it adequately and in a manner that doesnt > confused people Also, IIRC, saner alternatives have been suggested, like IUSE="+bleh" to enabl

Re: [gentoo-dev] punting the use.defaults feature

2005-11-18 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:33:08PM +0100, Jakub Moc wrote: > would someone more competent explain to me, why you approached this all wrong ... you were supposed to say something like "can we get rid of this hidden feature please" i see no reason to keep use.defaults around anymore, i think the re