Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 06:21, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn chith...@gentoo.org wrote: William Hubbs schrieb: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. iirc, gcc-2.95 and linux-2.4 (still used for some

Re: [gentoo-dev] Packages up for grab

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 07:36, Kacper Kowalik xarthis...@gentoo.org wrote: Hi Folks! There are a few packages that I'm no longer interested in maintaining: media-gfx/mandelbulber (co maintained-by media-gfx, needs bump and some opencl love) net-irc/irssi-xmpp (stablereq pending #440864)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 07:56, George Shapovalov geo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Thursday 13 December 2012 21:25:59 Markos Chandras wrote: We also have 720 packages listed as maintainer-needed[1] meaning nobody is actually taking care of them. And this number is pretty scary. Scary how? With over

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 13 December 2012 21:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/13/2012 12:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:33:50 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12. Dezember 2012, 11:30:17 schrieb Zac Medico: Yes, and having 'stable' and 'unstable'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 10:51 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 10:06:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 13/12/12 06:49 PM, William Hubbs wrote: For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:38:24 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 13 December 2012 21:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/13/2012 12:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:33:50 +0100 Andreas K. Huettel dilfri...@gentoo.org wrote: Am Mittwoch, 12.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 14:29, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:38:24 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 13 December 2012 21:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: On 12/13/2012 12:43 PM, Michał Górny wrote: On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:33:50 +0100

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Remind me and the list again pls, why is this necessary rather than just using use.stable.mask and EAPI5 ebuilds in the regular profiles? This shouldn't break the tree with a non-EAPI5 portage as the files would just be ignored, as would the EAPI5

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 14:36:49 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 14 December 2012 14:29, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:38:24 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 13 December 2012 21:46, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Michał Górny
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:39:56 -0500 Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: Remind me and the list again pls, why is this necessary rather than just using use.stable.mask and EAPI5 ebuilds in the regular profiles? This shouldn't break the tree

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Markos Chandras
On 14 December 2012 14:59, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: We already have plenty of understaffed arches, I don't think it is wise to throw more responsibilities to them. Unless of course all developers are allowed to touch these *stable* profiles which personally I don't like because

Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Michał Górny
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:08:24 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: On 14 December 2012 14:59, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: We already have plenty of understaffed arches, I don't think it is wise to throw more responsibilities to them. Unless of course all developers

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Jeroen Roovers
On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:25:59 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: We also have 720 packages listed as maintainer-needed[1] meaning nobody is actually taking care of them. And this number is pretty scary. [1]http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/treecleaners/maintainer-needed.xml Why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread James Cloos
WH == William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org writes: WH For example, glibc-2.9 and gcc-2.95. I think that if we are going to WH keep things this old in the tree we need a good reason for them. gcc-2.95 is still the current version for some non-mainstream dist+ architecture tuples. The ability to

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support == After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a delay of one month due to a new fork of udev was requested. We need an update on what's happened.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support == After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a delay of one month due

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread William Hubbs
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support == After the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Cleaning tree of outdated packages

2012-12-14 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 21:51 -0600, William Hubbs escribió: [...] I'm wondering if packages assigned to maintainer-needed should be looked at and removed since no one cares about them after they have sat there for a certain amount of time? They are, aren't they? treecleaners has

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support == After the discussion on [1] during the previous meeting, a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 01:28:00PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote:

[gentoo-dev] Re: Getting EAPI 5 *use.stable.mask to work in gx86?

2012-12-14 Thread Duncan
Michał Górny posted on Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:15:05 +0100 as excerpted: On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 15:08:24 + Markos Chandras hwoar...@gentoo.org wrote: I'd like to point out that my proposal implies that the *current* arches become the stable arches, and new sub-arches would be the testing

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Firstly I use your longlasting 3.2 kernel currently though perhaps not for long as I'm switching distro to avoid systemd and thank you for the LTS work, however that won't stop me speaking my mind. _ Greg, can you write back to

[gentoo-dev] Re: [e]udev , and please let's move this to a better location (was: Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012)

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 03:02 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Eudev's project announcement is coming soon, should answer your questions. Ok, when is soon? It's being drafted as we speak, so it will

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Everyone, given we already went through a major bikeshed a month ago, let's not do it again...? On 14/12/12 04:00 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: [ Snip! ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux)

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Duncan
Greg KH posted on Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:04:03 -0800 as excerpted: n Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 01:28:00PM -0600, William Hubbs wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: udev was never the problem of having a separate /usr without

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Ralph Sennhauser
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:02:40 -0800 Greg KH gre...@gentoo.org wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 02:05:27PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 01:28 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Fabian Groffen wrote: Handling separate /usr support

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012

2012-12-14 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 09:00:56PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Greg, can you write back to this message with specific examples of what would need to be customized so that separate /usr would work right without an initramfs? I have tried to explain multiple times that this is a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [e]udev , and please let's move this to a better location (was: Summary Council meeting: Tuesday 11 December 2012)

2012-12-14 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 04:09:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 03:02 PM, Greg KH wrote: I'm guessing that the result of the council meeting meant that things are progressing, right? If so, in what way? Sounds like you should join us in #gentoo-udev to discuss, or join the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [e]udev , and please let's move this to a better location

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 14/12/12 06:24 PM, Greg KH wrote: On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 04:09:34PM -0500, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: On 14/12/12 03:02 PM, Greg KH wrote: I'm guessing that the result of the council meeting meant that things are progressing, right? If so, in

[gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Yao
Dear Everyone, I am pleased to announce the Gentoo eudev project. Many of you already know about the eudev project from early publicity that we had before things were ready. Despite that, I hope to take advantage of the official announcement to explain what we are doing, why we are doing

Re: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Richard Yao
On 12/14/2012 10:52 PM, Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, I am pleased to announce the Gentoo eudev project. Many of you already know about the eudev project from early publicity that we had before things were ready. Despite that, I hope to take advantage of the official announcement

Re: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Peter Stuge
Richard Yao wrote: Where is development now? We have rewritten the build system and restored support for older kernels and verified compatibility as far back as Linux 2.6.31. We have tagged 1_beta1 and eudev is in the portage tree. A few lingering dependency issues exist, but we

Re: [gentoo-dev] eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 05:16:48AM +0100, Peter Stuge wrote I hope that eudev wants to do the respectable thing for any fork, ie. work hard to minimize the amount of wasted effort in both projects by sharing much code and bugfixes. That would be nice if systemd/udev upstream was agreeable.

[gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Nikos Chantziaras
On 15/12/12 06:16, Peter Stuge wrote: Richard Yao wrote: Where is development now? We have rewritten the build system and restored support for older kernels and verified compatibility as far back as Linux 2.6.31. We have tagged 1_beta1 and eudev is in the portage tree. A few lingering

[gentoo-dev] Re: eudev project announcement

2012-12-14 Thread Duncan
Walter Dnes posted on Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:33:04 -0500 as excerpted: [Udev-systemd has] essentially announced ahead of time that most bugs from non-systemd users would be closed with WONTFIX. Agreed, to this point. Actually, for political reasons, I hope that eudev does submit a bunch