On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 19:52:03 -0600
Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
or a robot*.
*or both (?!)
I believe they prefer the term mathematician.
--
Ciaran McCreesh
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ryan Hill wrote:
Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
or a robot*. Anyone capable of reasoning could puzzle out the
implications of not allowing user-given options to override the
defaults. Obviously you can write code that follows a spec
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
failures that I only enable tests for my own packages. Sadly it is so
bad that we have a
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm also going to rename the test flag to regression-test or
something similar to get it out of FEATURES=test control. The
testsuite is a huge time-suck and only useful to developers IMO
(always expected to fail and
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:10:33AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 23:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:17:35PM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
It impacts users who use stable keywords and are therefore stuck with
GNOME-2.32. The
On Wed, 01 May 2013 01:29:05 -0400
Rick \Zero_Chaos\ Farina zeroch...@gentoo.org wrote:
Sadly it is so
bad that we have a FEATURES=test-fail-continue I can't really say
anything negative, that fact really says it all...
My beef is not with the existence of this FEATURE but that it's
Hi Zac,
Zac Medico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de
wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
gets stable...
Since portage-2.1.11.20 [1],
Jörg Schaible wrote:
icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
system. And this happened now not for the first time!
Tom Wijsman wrote:
On Wed, 1 May 2013 11:20:37 +0200
Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Tom Wijsman wrote:
Well, here we go again! Again an update of Gentoo stable where
emerge tries to upgrade icu and KDE in one run (and this time
additionally libreoffice).
If you don't want that to happen, use
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
accessible and easy to migrate to/from openrc. Both are able to
happily
Peter Stuge wrote:
Jörg Schaible wrote:
icu. The ebuild happily removes any trace of the old shared libs
with the result that half of the stuff that is *required* to build
kdelibs is now broken. The build aborts and leaves behind a broken
system. And this happened now not for the first
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
- other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
enough).
[...]
Can't them be stolen from other distros running systemd?
[...]
The only
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote:
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 12:04 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
- other ~490 systemd units are missing at this time and writing them
could also be a great GSoC project (don't look at me, I'm busy
enough).
[...]
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
_sysvinit-next_, that contains all the fun stuff many developers were
not allowed to commit
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
Do I have to emerge GNOME-BASE in it's entirety just to get GSettings
working?
Then I misunderstood.
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the
On 05/01/13 05:04, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST OPENRC.
With the release of Sabayon 13.04 [1] and thanks to the efforts I put
into the systemd-love overlay [2], systemd has become much more
accessible and easy to
There is no tracker yet. But it may be very well materialize at some point.
--
Fabio Erculiani
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2 gets
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 6:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani lx...@gentoo.org wrote:
- genkernel needs to migrate to *udev (or as I did, provide a --udev
genkernel option), mdev is unable to properly activate LVM volumes and
LVM is actually working by miracle with openrc. Alternatively, we
should migrate
On 05/01/2013 02:07 AM, Jörg Schaible wrote:
Hi Zac,
Zac Medico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de
wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary
with portage 2.2, but maybe we have to wait for 2.1.11.500 before 2.2
On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that none of this would have been necessary with
portage 2.2, but maybe we
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jörg Schaible joerg.schai...@gmx.de
wrote:
The most annoying fact is, that
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:14:07PM +0100, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven J. Long
sl...@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:04:00PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
PLEASE DO NOT START A FLAME WAR AND READ ON FIRST.
THIS IS NOT A POST AGAINST
On 1 May 2013 02:52, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey or a
robot*.
*or both (?!)
Alternative possibilities include ninja, zombie and wizard.
# Ulrich Müller u...@gentoo.org (01 May 2013)
# HOMEPAGE and SRC_URI dead, tarball not redistributable.
# Last upstream release in 2004.
# Masked for removal in 30 days, bug #464938.
www-apache/mod_loopback
# Ulrich Müller u...@gentoo.org (01 May 2013)
# HOMEPAGE and SRC_URI dead, tarball not
On 4/30/13 8:25 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
I'm also going to rename the test flag to regression-test or something
similar to get it out of FEATURES=test control. The testsuite is a huge
time-suck and only useful to developers IMO (always expected to fail and
primarily meant to be used to check for
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
It is sad to say that the territoriality in base-system (and
toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
nothing new, by the way.
[4] useless crap: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=399615
As far as I read the bug, Mike
On Wed, 01 May 2013 12:52:09 -0700
Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
It is sad to say that the territoriality in base-system (and
toolchain) is not allowing any kind of progress [3] [4]. This is
nothing new, by the way.
[4]
Hi, everyone.
This one goes to gentoo-dev since it's a potentially wider idea
and I'd like to get other developers opinion on.
As you most likely already know, distutils-r1 allows ebuilds to define
sub-phase functions like:
python_compile() {
# commands which will be run for each impl
---
gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass | 18 ++
1 file changed, 18 insertions(+)
diff --git a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
index 47b5b97..4c2e819 100644
--- a/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
+++ b/gx86/eclass/distutils-r1.eclass
@@ -206,6 +206,20
---
gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild | 4 ++--
1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
b/gx86/dev-python/setuptools/setuptools-0.6.33.ebuild
index 4f4f3aa..91a8d57 100644
---
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
Distros doing lots of custom changes can only add more chaos to the picture.
We are a distribution, we
Fabio, I think you're doing awesome work!
Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Steven J. Long wrote:
It looks like there is some consensus on the effort of making systemd
more accessible,
Sure there is: there's also consensus that this approach is wrong for
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 09:22:56AM -0400, Alexandre Rostovtsev wrote
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 04:19 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:
I think I just realized what this means. I run ICEWM, not GNOME.
GNUMERIC and ABIWORWD and GIMP are the 3 GNOME apps that I use a lot.
Do I have to emerge GNOME-BASE
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote:
Steven, I think you can behave a lot better on the internet. kthx.
Amazing. I came to the exact opposite conclusion.
On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
failures that I
On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm also going to rename the test flag to regression-test or
something similar to get it out of FEATURES=test control. The
testsuite is a
2 other classes of tests you may want to consider :
- network/internet accessibility required tests
- markers for tests that are known/expected to fail under many conditions
and are not worth end-user-testing, but end-users can force-running any way
if they really want to see the individual
On Wed, 1 May 2013 08:57:35 +0200
Ulrich Mueller u...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ryan Hill wrote:
Then the person implementing the code for Paludis is either a monkey
or a robot*. Anyone capable of reasoning could puzzle out the
implications of not allowing user-given options
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2013 08:00:29 +0100
Diego Elio Pettenò flamee...@flameeyes.eu wrote:
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
bad with
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means embrace diversitiy.
If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
you're very welcome, but also people who want to have fun with new
stuff should get the
On 01/05/13 10:11 PM, Duncan wrote as excerpted:
Steven J. Long posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 19:52:03 +0100 as excerpted:
Gentoo is about choice, which to me also means embrace diversitiy.
If you want to keep living in your little world, fine, you can and
you're very welcome, but also people
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:13:54PM +0200, Pacho Ramos wrote:
El mié, 01-05-2013 a las 13:00 +0200, Fabio Erculiani escribió:
[...]
The only remaining problem is about eselect-sysvinit, for this reason,
I am probably going to create a new separate pkg called
_sysvinit-next_, that
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 11:14:28PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
phajdan...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5/1/13 3:04 AM, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
As far as I read the bug, Mike (vapier) is doing the right thing.
Distros doing lots of custom changes
Zac Medico posted on Wed, 01 May 2013 08:01:45 -0700 as excerpted:
On 05/01/2013 07:46 AM, Mike Gilbert wrote:
I think it is time to consider enabling [preserve-libs] by default.
Hopefully any ABI bumps will be accompanied by a
subslot / slot-operator migration at this point.
Yeah, I'm
On Tuesday 30 April 2013 12:38:03 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 15:25:08 +0200 Ulrich Mueller wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013, Ulrich Mueller wrote:
Below is a patch that brings the spec in line with common sense.
And in fact, I wonder why we're even discussing the issue.
On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
please do not top post
-mike
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On 2 May 2013 15:18, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Like I've already said too, I don't see that we need to do this change.
Systemd is called /usr/lib/systemd/systemd (it should be
/lib/systemd/systemd), and sysvinit is called /sbin/init,, so I don't
see the need for moving init
On 2 May 2013 16:21, Mike Frysinger vap...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Wednesday 01 May 2013 21:24:07 Kent Fredric wrote:
please do not top post
-mike
My apologies, Gmail has forced upon us this new message composer, and it
sucks, it actively discourages bottom posting, and I'm stuck with it.
I
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On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby herd) and random
failures
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On 05/01/2013 09:18 PM, Ryan Hill wrote:
On Wed, 1 May 2013 10:14:02 +0200
Ralph Sennhauser s...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:25:40 -0600
Ryan Hill dirtye...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm also going to rename the test flag to
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 00:57 -0400, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
On 05/01/2013 03:00 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote:
On 01/05/2013 06:29, Rick Zero_Chaos Farina wrote:
I don't mean to start a flamewar here but the test suite situation is so
bad with circular deps (I'm looking at you ruby
On Thu, 2 May 2013 03:38:24 + (UTC)
Duncan 1i5t5.dun...@cox.net wrote:
After some early issues with too much magic re preserved-libs
Why is it magic? It is well explained what it does (eg. man make.conf).
I originally would rather let the upgrades happen as
they always did and simply run
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 5:26 AM, Kent Fredric kentfred...@gmail.com wrote:
[snip]
Against, the symlink may introduce parts that are breakable, like if user
messes up and places the destination of the symlink on a different partition
( shouldn't be a problem, but might be ), or if you're
My typical emerge -upvDN world went up from 10s of minutes to several
hours sometime between portage 37f33e9 and 2d5e38b.
I noticed by way of strace(8) that it access(2)es each ebuild in
/usr/portage on each configured overay 10 times. Each.
It does so in order from the last overlay in
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