Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Martin Gysel
Am 24.09.2013 19:49, schrieb hasufell: I wonder if it would make any sense to take the effort to convert markdown docs to html format before installing them. following that logic we should also consider converting all man and info pages to html... it doesn't make any sense... simply provide

Re: [gentoo-dev] Move m68k, sh, s390 to ~arch

2013-09-25 Thread Sergey Popov
24.09.2013 23:07, Markos Chandras пишет: On 09/24/2013 07:28 PM, Agostino Sarubbo wrote: On 09/23/2013 22:41, Markos Chandras wrote: (unless of course you want to increase your number of cvs commits which is a worrying argument on its own) 11:16 #gentoo-bugs: +bonsaikitten ago: do me a

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 00:30:27 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:07:15 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Why do I need a browser, a PDF reader and a Markdown viewer and possibly more clients to read my documentation in a formatted way? And why do

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Thomas Sachau
William Hubbs schrieb: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Makes me wonder if the Why? question should be left unanswered; I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual problem be summarized in one short clear sentence at all? I will try,

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Peter Volkov
В Вт, 24/09/2013 в 11:46 -0700, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. пишет: On 9/22/13 5:24 PM, Peter Stuge wrote: Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: compiling with versions of v8 other than what is included is not currently supported. .. For now V8 upstream gives no guarantees about API/ABI stability and

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Samuli Suominen
On 25/09/13 11:06, Thomas Sachau wrote: William Hubbs schrieb: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Makes me wonder if the Why? question should be left unanswered; I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual problem be summarized in one

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 10:06:43 Thomas Sachau to...@gentoo.org napisał(a): William Hubbs schrieb: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Makes me wonder if the Why? question should be left unanswered; I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Diego Elio Pettenò
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.orgwrote: Perfect. Seriously? Perfect because one person agrees with you? Sigh. Diego Elio Pettenò — Flameeyes flamee...@flameeyes.eu — http://blog.flameeyes.eu/

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:35 AM, Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: What about busybox[sep-usr]? Is that still supported or is everyone with separate /usr forced to use an initramfs? I'd say it's supported as long as it gives a compatible end result. I suspect that the number of cases

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:57:26 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 00:30:27 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:07:15 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Why do I need a browser, a PDF reader and a Markdown viewer

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:36:56 +0200 Martin Gysel m.gy...@gmail.com wrote: Am 24.09.2013 19:49, schrieb hasufell: I wonder if it would make any sense to take the effort to convert markdown docs to html format before installing them. following that logic we should also consider converting

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread hasufell
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Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 William Hubbs schrieb: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 02:55:49AM +0200, Tom Wijsman wrote: Makes me wonder if the Why? question should be left unanswered; I'm also not quite sure if we can produce a short answer, can the actual problem be summarized in

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a one-sentence answering the Why would be a good idea to have in the news item, so users that don't have a clue on all of these sep-/usr issues will get an

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a one-sentence answering the Why would be a good idea to have in

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 25/09/2013 16:51, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a one-sentence answering the Why would be a good idea to have in the news item, so users that don't have a clue on

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Sven Eden
Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: William, I think what Tom was mentioning here is that he thinks a one-sentence answering the Why would

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote: Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org wrote: William, I think

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 9/25/13 2:44 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.orgwrote: Perfect. Seriously? Perfect because one person agrees with you? Sigh. Look at the API breaks and talk to v8 upstream - if you have a better solution to actual bugs

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 9/25/13 1:16 AM, Peter Volkov wrote: But could you comment on how hard it'll be to slot v8 shared library? Keeping libraries bundled is a security nightmare. Slotting v8 would be hugely impractical and rather a misuse of SLOTs. Slotting makes sense when there are at most 2-3 major versions,

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 11:52 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. wrote: On 9/25/13 2:44 AM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. phajdan...@gentoo.orgwrote: Perfect. Seriously? Perfect because one person agrees with you?

Re: [gentoo-dev] does v8 shared library make sense with current upstream approach?

2013-09-25 Thread Paweł Hajdan, Jr.
On 9/25/13 9:01 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: However, if it's possible to keep the rest of the tree using one system package of v8 (or very small subset), and just maintain that(those) via security backports, would that be viable? In the current state of v8, no. Latest security-supported v8 is

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Sven Eden
Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:39:20 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: On 25/09/13 11:27 AM, Sven Eden wrote: Am Mittwoch, 25. September 2013, 11:05:24 schrieb Ian Stakenvicius: On 25/09/13 10:51 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Ian Stakenvicius a...@gentoo.org

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 14:29:52 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): 3) adding some more ugly awful magic that will make binary packages even less useful. For binary packages a choice has to be made; trying to solve things for binary packages is like discussing something

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 14:38:14 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:36:56 +0200 Martin Gysel m.gy...@gmail.com wrote: Am 24.09.2013 19:49, schrieb hasufell: I wonder if it would make any sense to take the effort to convert markdown docs to html format

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Moving project pages to wiki.gentoo.org

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On 09/19/2013 01:10 PM, Alex Legler wrote: As discussed [1] on -dev a while ago, project pages will now be moving to wiki.gentoo.org. From now on, you must not create new documents or projects in CVS/on www.gentoo.org. Existing projects are asked to move the contents of their project pages

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
All, here is my latest update, again based on feedback from the list. It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any shorter if we include the information about why this is happening. Thoughts? William Title: Separate /usr on Linux requires initramfs Author: William Hubbs

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Ian Stakenvicius
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 03:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: Due to many upstream changes, properly supporting Linux systems that have /usr missing at boot time has become increasingly difficult. Despite all our efforts, it already breaks in some exotic

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 03:19:00PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 25/09/13 03:16 PM, William Hubbs wrote: Due to many upstream changes, properly supporting Linux systems that have /usr missing at boot time has become increasingly

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Rich Freeman
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any shorter if we include the information about why this is happening. I would use the newspaper article approach - put the most important and actionable material

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:07:42 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 14:29:52 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): 3) adding some more ugly awful magic that will make binary packages even less useful. For binary packages a choice has to be

Re: [gentoo-dev] markdown docs like README.md

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:15:57 +0200 Michał Górny mgo...@gentoo.org wrote: Dnia 2013-09-25, o godz. 14:38:14 Tom Wijsman tom...@gentoo.org napisał(a): On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:36:56 +0200 Martin Gysel m.gy...@gmail.com wrote: Am 24.09.2013 19:49, schrieb hasufell: I wonder if it

Re: [gentoo-dev] newsitem: initramfs required on Linux systems with separate /usr

2013-09-25 Thread Tom Wijsman
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:37:34 -0400 Rich Freeman ri...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:16 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: It seems a bit long to me, but I'm not sure how to make it any shorter if we include the information about why this is happening. I would use

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:22:02PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/09/13 02:15 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 03:21:07PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: Out of curiosity, what is the reasoning behind making these libs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:22:02PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/09/13 02:15 PM, William Hubbs wrote: On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 03:21:07PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Moving project pages to wiki.gentoo.org

2013-09-25 Thread Alex Legler
On 25.09.2013 20:38, Mike Gilbert wrote: Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but how are we dealing with herds.xml? Many herds are compiled from the project pages using maintainingproject element. How does that work if the project pages are going away? The /proj/en/foo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API

2013-09-25 Thread William Hubbs
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 04:27:42PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:22:02PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 24/09/13 02:15 PM, William Hubbs

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: status of OpenRC's public API

2013-09-25 Thread Mike Gilbert
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:01 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 04:27:42PM -0400, Mike Gilbert wrote: On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:04 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:22:02PM -0400, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: status of OpenRC's public API

2013-09-25 Thread Michał Górny
Dnia 2013-09-13, o godz. 19:16:06 William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org napisał(a): OpenRC currently has a public api, consisting of librc and libeinfo (rc.h and einfo.h are the headers); however, I do not know of any released software that uses these, so, if there is nothing, I am considering