Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 18:30 -0400, Sean Amoss escribió: On 09/12/2012 02:54 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 04:30 +1000, Michael Palimaka escribió: On 2012-09-13 03:59, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 03:43 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:53:20 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: You can un-CC yourself. I don't see why security@ should be doing the legwork. It shouldn't be so hard to do, they can do it just when they CC

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-13 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 15:48 +0200, Alex Legler escribió: On 12.09.2012 19:59, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when their are needed. The problem is that, once maintainers add a fixed version and tell security team they are ok to get

Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: netplugd and ifplugd support in OpenRc

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 08:44 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 11/09/12 06:23 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:01 PM, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote: I can agree that a server would probably want a static

[gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when their are needed. The problem is that, once maintainers add a fixed version and tell security team they are ok to get it stabilized, maintainers are kept CCed until bug is closed by security team. This usually means getting a lot

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 20:29 +0200, Jeroen Roovers escribió: On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:59:01 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when their are needed. The problem is that, once maintainers add a fixed version

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 13-09-2012 a las 04:30 +1000, Michael Palimaka escribió: On 2012-09-13 03:59, Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello Currently, package maintainers are CCed to security bugs when their are needed. The problem is that, once maintainers add a fixed version and tell security team they are ok

Re: [gentoo-dev] About changing security policy to unCC maintainers when their are not needed

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 12-09-2012 a las 14:42 -0400, Rich Freeman escribió: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Jeroen Roovers j...@gentoo.org wrote: So you would want to be re-CC'd when it is time to remove the vulnerable versions, I guess. Isn't this done shortly after keywording is complete? I think

Re: [gentoo-portage-dev] How to prevent dispatch-conf from reverting valid changes

2012-09-12 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 02-08-2012 a las 12:34 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 08/01/2012 11:36 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mié, 01-08-2012 a las 16:14 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 08/01/2012 03:19 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: On every openrc update I get dispatch-conf wanting to revert all my changes in /etc

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-misc/aiccu - maintainer needed

2012-08-01 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 31-07-2012 a las 22:31 +0200, Maciej Grela escribió: 2012/7/31 Amadeusz Żołnowski aide...@gentoo.org: I have taken it recently, but realised I'm not going to use aiccu on Gentoo any time soon. Sorry for mess-up. Hi, I'd like to volunteer for being a proxy maintainer for this

[gentoo-portage-dev] How to prevent dispatch-conf from reverting valid changes

2012-08-01 Thread Pacho Ramos
On every openrc update I get dispatch-conf wanting to revert all my changes in /etc/conf.d files, like KEYMAP, clock... Is there any way to prevent it from doing that? Thanks a lot for the info signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] UTF-8 locale by default

2012-07-27 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 27-07-2012 a las 13:24 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Friday 27 July 2012 08:13:16 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: Ulrich Mueller schrieb: As I had pointed out before [1], changing from POSIX to an en_US locale will have undesirable side effects, like commas as thousands

Re: [gentoo-dev] Don't require assignment of empty variables in ebuilds?

2012-07-25 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 25-07-2012 a las 18:38 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió: [...] The single exception to this is IUSE, which is required to be present in an ebuild even if it's empty. Maybe we should drop this requirement, too. +1 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-misc/quagga needs help

2012-07-24 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 23-07-2012 a las 15:08 -0700, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió: Il 23/07/2012 14:10, Peter Stuge ha scritto: Did anyone report it upstream? Not me ... because I wouldn't know which one to care about. The problem with upstream is that you have what they call master that is not really

[gentoo-dev] About replacing man with man-db

2012-07-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
As explained at: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284822 There are multiple issues with sys-apps/man that could be solved switching to sys-apps/man-db instead, the problem is that the process looks to be blocked by: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=289884 After checking that bug

[gentoo-dev] net-misc/quagga needs help

2012-07-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
It has security bugs opened for a long time: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408507 Also, current version fails to build, and the same occurs while trying to bump to the latest version: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421861 Help with this is needed, otherwise we will probably

[gentoo-dev] Make connman a global USE flag

2012-07-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
Several packages are using it with the same sense (support connman), maybe we should move it from local to global USEs, what do you think? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-ftp/netkit-tftp

2012-07-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 21:06 -0400, Anthony G. Basile escribió: On 07/08/2012 08:57 PM, Jeroen Roovers wrote: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:29:35 +0200 Pacho Ramospa...@gentoo.org wrote: El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 21:49 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió: Il 08/07/2012 20:13, Chí-Thanh

[gentoo-dev] About ppc status and stable keywords

2012-07-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
For a long time I have been observing ppc team reacts really slowly to stabilization requests, causing us to need to keep old ebuilds for a long time. Maybe it's time to start dropping stable keywords for ppc as looks like team doesn't have enough man power to keep stable updated. What do you

Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites for net-ftp/netkit-tftp

2012-07-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 21:49 +0200, Diego Elio Pettenò escribió: Il 08/07/2012 20:13, Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn ha scritto: Please report a removal bug for this, so any issues concerning users of netkit-tftp can be tracked. Here it is: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425362

Re: [gentoo-dev] base.eclass

2012-07-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 08-07-2012 a las 22:59 +0200, René Neumann escribió: Am 08.07.2012 22:10, schrieb Michał Górny: On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 19:49:25 +0200 René Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote: Hi all, I'd like just to receive a short clarification about the 'status' of base.eclass: Is this eclass

[gentoo-dev] About tests needing internet connection to run

2012-07-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
After reading: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424719 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397973 Looks like there is not consensus about how to handle this cases, probably a PROPERTIES variable for this would help :-/ Any ideas on this kind of issue? signature.asc Description: This

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Enable FEATURES=userpriv usersandbox by default?

2012-07-03 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 02-07-2012 a las 13:45 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 07/02/2012 01:36 PM, viv...@gmail.com wrote: Il 02/07/2012 22:01, Zac Medico ha scritto: On 07/02/2012 12:48 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El lun, 28-05-2012 a las 14:34 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: Hi, In case you aren't familiar

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Enable FEATURES=userpriv usersandbox by default?

2012-07-02 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 28-05-2012 a las 14:34 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: Hi, In case you aren't familiar with FEATURES=userpriv, here's the description from the make.conf(5) man page: Allow portage to drop root privileges and compile packages as portage:portage without a sandbox (unless usersandbox

[gentoo-dev] About trying to prevent downgrades of packages that cause system breakage

2012-06-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
I would like to discuss a bit more issues like: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=423087 Even if there are a lot of packages that can cause this breakage when downgraded, I think it should be prevented and package managers shouldn't try to downgrade this kind of packages as they will later

Re: [gentoo-dev] About trying to prevent downgrades of packages that cause system breakage

2012-06-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 30-06-2012 a las 13:17 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/06/12 11:16 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Saturday 30 June 2012 07:22:39 Zac Medico wrote: On 06/30/2012 04:07 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: I would like to discuss a bit more

Re: [gentoo-dev] About trying to prevent downgrades of packages that cause system breakage

2012-06-30 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 30-06-2012 a las 13:46 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/06/12 01:30 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El sáb, 30-06-2012 a las 13:17 -0400, Ian Stakenvicius escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 30/06/12 11:16

Re: [gentoo-dev] prune_libtool_files is NOT a direct replacement for, example, find ${D} -name '*.la' -delete

2012-06-28 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 28-06-2012 a las 10:26 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:12:34 +0300 Samuli Suominen ssuomi...@gentoo.org wrote: The logic in prune_libtool_files is not perfect[1]. Define 'perfect'. To clarify: Use `prune_libtool_files --all` instead of plain

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:39 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:10 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Then, looks clear to me that the way to get things approved in newer EAPIs is not clear enough as looks like a lot of devs (like me) don't know them

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 19:15 +0800, Patrick Lauer escribió: On 06/21/12 15:25, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 11:27 +0200, Alec Warner escribió: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, if I remember

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 11:53 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: What is hurting is people demanding features without specifying what the problem is Part of enabling progress is to show a strong will to communicate, with the goal of extracting common understanding from

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 12:24 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 11:53 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: What is hurting is people demanding features without specifying what the problem is Part of enabling progress is to show a strong

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 11:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 12:24:32 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: As Peter explains, I think it is now clear enough what I was demanding (about clarifying what is needed to get things in next EAPI to prevent issues like

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 12:37 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:38:09 +0200 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: If you don't understand something of what thus far has been written, then why not ask specific questions to fill those gaps, and move on? The multilib

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 12:59 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:52:24 +0200 Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Ciaran McCreesh wrote: bring this to the point where we can say something other than huh?. You can accelerate by making one guess about each thing on

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 13:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:11:28 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Looks like you have now opted to use Brian's comment as a kind of shield of similar and discuss only about multilib, even when this thread was more general

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 17:53 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:47:26 +0200 Justin j...@gentoo.org wrote: On 23.06.2012 18:17, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 18:13:23 +0200 Justin j...@gentoo.org wrote: Did you read what you wrote and thought about

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 18:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:23:57 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Did you send this proposal seriously or only to troll comparing it with what you think tommy did with multilib thread? Uhm, this proposal is exactly

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: PROPERTIES=funky-slots

2012-06-23 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 23-06-2012 a las 18:45 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 19:43:10 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: It treats -r300 as being newer than -r200, and so will treat the gtk3 version or the jruby version as being newer versions of the gtk2 version

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 20-06-2012 a las 23:43 +0200, Justin escribió: On 20.06.2012 22:35, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:25:30 -0400 Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org wrote: Multilib (and/or multiarch) support The current binaries cause a great deal of pain, particularly when a user does

Re: [gentoo-dev] My wishlist for EAPI 5

2012-06-21 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 21-06-2012 a las 08:00 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 21 Jun 2012 08:08:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, if I remember correctly, Tommy asked for this some months ago, you asked for what he sent some days ago and now you require more and more work

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 22:36 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:49:10 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:07 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El sáb, 16-06

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 22:07 -0500, Dale escribió: Duncan wrote: Looking at the broader picture, the problem of extraneous packages in the world file has always concerned me. If it were to be done over again, and I think Zac would likely agree, emerge would use --oneshot by

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-17 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 22:10 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió: Pacho Ramos wrote: I guess the point is that it is not really a dependency. No, it's a dependency only when you want ppp support working, Logically, but not technically. I like this separation; the package manager takes

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due volkmar being unable to maintain them because of lack of time

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
The following packages are now orphan: app-emulation/playonlinux app-emulation/vboxgtk dev-libs/xmlrpc-epi dev-util/bam media-libs/pnglite media-video/miro net-misc/plowshare Feel free to get them Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due cla retirement

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
net-misc/balance x11-themes/gentoo-artwork Feel free to get them Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due wormo taking care of bug wrangling only

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
app-admin/ulogd app-arch/pdv Feel free to get them Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such place exists). Currently, looks like there is no eapi5 tracker :-/ Thanks a lot for the info :) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 13:13 +0200, Agostino Sarubbo escribió: On Saturday 16 June 2012 12:55:22 Pacho Ramos wrote: Hello I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such place exists). Currently

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 14:12 +0200, Ulrich Mueller escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Pacho Ramos wrote: I would like to know if there is some place where things going to be included (or proposed to be included) for eapi5 are listed (if such place exists). Currently, looks like

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 13:43 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 14:26:16 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: OK, would you let me to create a tracker bug for eapi5 accepted item? No. We're working on the PMS list. We don't need yet another place to look. About

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites: net-libs/libtlen, net-im/gnugadu, net-im/tleenx2, dev-ada/gps-bin, dev-ruby/mmap, dev-python/psyco, net-analyzer/honeyd, x11-misc/service-discovery-applet, dev-util/sourcenav,

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (16 Jun 2012) # Bundles unsecure libexpat, all packages still needing it # are dead, orphan and have replacements. See bug #251433. # Removal in 30 days. net-libs/libtlen net-im/gnugadu net-im/tleenx2 # Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (16 Jun 2012) # Bundles python-2.3

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 14:48 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 15:37:44 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: About suggesting new item (like forcing rebuilding of other packages as discussed some days ago and crosscompile support suggested by Tommy today), I

[gentoo-dev] Lastrites: sys-kernel/cluster-sources

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
# Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org (16 Jun 2012) # No needed since kernel-3.2, bug#411405#c6 # Removal in a month. sys-kernel/cluster-sources signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:31 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:29:09 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: I thought last Zac suggestion of ABI_SLOT modified to use SLOT=ble/bla was clear enough and we reached a consensus. Possibly. I'm waiting to see

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear example of how that solution was a bit worse was that glib vs dbus-glib/gobject-introspection

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:16 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Regarding the comparison with using only SLOT, the most clear example of how that solution

[gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
This was noticed recently when getting: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420569 Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we are using elog messages to tell people to manually install net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp working with bluez. I am unsure about the

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió: It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO. Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things on and off. Pulling in optional dependencies via useflags does not allow the user to turn something off when he sets USE=-foo emerge fuqbar.

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:24 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:16:34 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 15:52 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 16:48:20 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Regarding

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:07 +0200, Michał Górny escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:30:55 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 18:09 +0200, hasufell escribió: It breaks the useflag philosophy, IMO. Useflags were meant as switches. You can turn things

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 19:50 +0200, Peter Stuge escribió: Pacho Ramos wrote: Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we are using elog messages to tell people to manually install net-dialup/ppp if they want ppp working with bluez. I am unsure about

Re: [gentoo-dev] About using USE flags to pull in needed RDEPENDs being discouraged by devmanual

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 20:55 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió: On 06/16/2012 06:59 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: This was noticed recently when getting: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=420569 Also hit this problem today while trying to bump bluez and noticed we are using elog messages

Re: [gentoo-dev] About what would be included in EAPI5

2012-06-16 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 16-06-2012 a las 17:46 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 18:41:51 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: The :*/:= feature was designed to solve one specific problem: if a user has foo installed, and foo deps upon bar, and bar:1 is installed, and the user

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag ps

2012-06-15 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 15-06-2012 a las 05:43 +0300, Samuli Suominen escribió: On 06/15/2012 05:02 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: On Thursday 14 June 2012 21:16:31 Samuli Suominen wrote: So how about renaming USE=gs consumers to USE=ps and making USE=ps global flag with the proposed description? merging is

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild laziness and binpkg overhead

2012-06-15 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 12-06-2012 a las 23:02 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: i've noticed a growing trend where people put setup of variables into pkg_setup that only matter to src_* funcs presumably so they don't have to call the respective src_* func from an inherited eclass. unfortunately this adds

Re: [gentoo-dev] ebuild laziness and binpkg overhead

2012-06-15 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 15-06-2012 a las 09:03 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: El mar, 12-06-2012 a las 23:02 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: i've noticed a growing trend where people put setup of variables into pkg_setup that only matter to src_* funcs presumably so they don't have to call the respective

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits

2012-06-11 Thread Pacho Ramos
El lun, 11-06-2012 a las 18:08 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 13:15:40 +0100 Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Ciaran McCreesh ciaran.mccre...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:45:27 +0100 Nirbheek Chauhan

Re: [gentoo-dev] gtk3 useflag and support of older toolkits

2012-06-10 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 10-06-2012 a las 11:45 +0300, Maxim Kammerer escribió: Just to illustrate the USE=gtk3 confusion, on packages I has personal experience with: [...] gnome-base/librsvg -- flag for gtk3 libraries *and* executables (independent USE=gtk; an example of a package that should be slotted?)

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-10 Thread Pacho Ramos
El dom, 10-06-2012 a las 13:25 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 13:55:53 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: A dependency atom will have optional SLOT and ABI_SLOT parts. Using the dbus-glib depedency on glib:2 as an example [1], the dbus-glib dependency will be

[gentoo-dev] app-misc/lirc needs some love

2012-06-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
Hello Is anyone familiarized with lirc? Due all their opened bugs: https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lirclist_id=1087335 and, specially: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160134 that is also affecting 0.9, all lirc versions in the tree are broken for a long time. Thanks!

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 08-06-2012 a las 12:31 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/08/2012 12:23 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 08-06-2012 a las 12:16 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/08/2012 01:38 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:33 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:24 PM

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-09 Thread Pacho Ramos
El sáb, 09-06-2012 a las 12:46 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: El vie, 08-06-2012 a las 12:31 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/08/2012 12:23 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El vie, 08-06-2012 a las 12:16 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/08/2012 01:38 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:33 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:24 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:09 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:00 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 19:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012

[gentoo-dev] Packages up for grabs due dang concentrating in gnome work

2012-06-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
As talked with him via mail, he will concentrate in gnome work and won't have time to take care of the following packages: app-admin/logrotate sys-apps/usermode-utilities Feel free to get them Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

[gentoo-dev] net-misc/ntpclient up for grabs due solar concentrating in other packages

2012-06-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
As talked with him via mail, thanks for taking it signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-08 Thread Pacho Ramos
El vie, 08-06-2012 a las 12:16 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/08/2012 01:38 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:33 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:24 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:09 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:00 PM

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 14:59 -0700, Brian Harring escribió: On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 07:18:01PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 18:40 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:43:32 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: I can imagine that ABI_SLOT operator deps will be a lot more popular than SLOT operator deps, since ABI_SLOT operator deps will accommodate the common

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 10:42 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/06/2012 10:28 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:21:40 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: You'd have a slot per ABI, and be encouraged to allow multiple versions of glib to be installed in parallel. If

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 20:04 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07.06.2012 19:47, Zac Medico wrote: And, I suspect that they'd be handling with ABI_SLOT operator deps, if they were available. No, we wouldn't. Best regards, Wulf Talk

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 11:03 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 10:40 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:43:32 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: I can imagine that ABI_SLOT operator deps will be a lot more popular than SLOT operator deps, since ABI_SLOT

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 20:16 +0200, Pacho Ramos escribió: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 11:03 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 10:40 AM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:43:32 -0700 Zac Medico zmed...@gentoo.org wrote: I can imagine that ABI_SLOT operator deps

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 19:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:43:54 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: I would prefer, as a workaround, allow reverse deps to RDEPEND on glib:2.* instead. That way it would cover more cases when more than two slots

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-07 Thread Pacho Ramos
El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 12:09 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/07/2012 12:00 PM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El jue, 07-06-2012 a las 19:44 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:43:54 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: I would prefer, as a workaround, allow reverse deps

[gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop pcre from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
After reading: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419795 I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre support by default, specially after reading man grep and seeing that its support is tagged as experimental: -P, --perl-regexp Interpret

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 16:07 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/05/2012 06:31 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 08:44 -0400, Aaron W. Swenson escribió: The ideal solution is for the Ebuild to instruct the PMS to rebuild the dependent packages. We can have a variable

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 06:33 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 15:31:01 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: We all know what would be the ideal solution, the problem is how to implement it (and how many years we need to wait to get it working). We do? Please

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 02:51 +0200, Michael Weber escribió: [...] [1] if you forget the -X on module-rebuild, you might no longer have the virtualbox-modules version installed in the tree (no packages satisfy ...). virtualbox does remove old versions real quick. The fun part comes with

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-portage-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect this ZLIB_VERSION problem with revdep-rebuild (worst case: add a list of possibly broken packages with tests)? I'd suggest a special ebuild phase to check

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop pcre from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 10:37 +0200, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. escribió: On 6/6/12 10:26 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: After reading: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419795 I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre support by default, specially after reading

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 01:54 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/06/2012 01:46 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 19:18 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/05/2012 05:51 PM, Michael Weber wrote: Is there any chance to detect

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 02:17 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: On 06/06/2012 01:28 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: El mar, 05-06-2012 a las 16:07 -0700, Zac Medico escribió: The SLOT operator dependencies that Ciaran has been advocating are very close to a good solution. However, if we want it to work

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 18:16 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:48:26 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: That looks nice, only two notes: - Looks like would be more sense on distinguish between SLOT and ABI_SLOT, for example: * dbus-glib would rdepend

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 18:19 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:32:08 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: We do? Please tell us. I was under the impression that we still didn't fully know what the problem was. Well, could you please let me know how

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop pcre from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 13:23 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wednesday 06 June 2012 04:26:11 Pacho Ramos wrote: I think that would be interesting to try to not get grep build with pcre support by default, specially after reading man grep and seeing that its support is tagged

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 19:15 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:02:24 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Probably other gnome team could reply this better than me, but I don't think slotting every glib-2 due ABI changes deserves the huge effort. Think

Re: [gentoo-dev] About forcing rebuilds of other packages issue

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 19:33 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh escribió: On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:30:52 +0200 Pacho Ramos pa...@gentoo.org wrote: Also, how could this be handled in dbus-glib side? I mean, would we need to update dbus-glib update from RDEPENDing on glib:2.30 to glib:2.32? :O

Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion to drop pcre from default enabled USE flags in profiles

2012-06-06 Thread Pacho Ramos
El mié, 06-06-2012 a las 14:53 -0400, Mike Frysinger escribió: On Wednesday 06 June 2012 14:06:47 Pacho Ramos wrote: The problem is that grep keeps linked against libpcre and it can cause problems like pointed in referred bug report, and it's really risky as people can have their portage

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