Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-08 Thread Thomas T. Veldhouse
Tom Wesley wrote: > I think that there is a high degree of probability that > portage-ng(-ng(-ng)) ;) will include some form of tree selection. I > personally would like to see something like this. Either pointing to > a completely different rsync server set, or having a extended set of > archite

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Hosiawa
> > > One of the biggest differences I can think of between a source-based > > > distro (such as Gentoo) and a binary-package based one is that you rarely > > > have library dependency issues. If you compile a newer package against an > > > older library, it will usually still work, and vice versa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Marshal Newrock
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Tom Hosiawa wrote: > > One of the biggest differences I can think of between a source-based > > distro (such as Gentoo) and a binary-package based one is that you rarely > > have library dependency issues. If you compile a newer package against an > > older library, it will us

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Hosiawa
> One of the biggest differences I can think of between a source-based > distro (such as Gentoo) and a binary-package based one is that you rarely > have library dependency issues. If you compile a newer package against an > older library, it will usually still work, and vice versa. If a library

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Marshal Newrock
On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Jeff Smelser wrote: > This handles different versions and where each one is progressing, I just hope > they start realizing they can't delete and ebuild just because they are 2-3 > versions past it or the like. I got caught on that with wget. I upgraded, > later that week, I de

[Fwd: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.]

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Wesley
Since People seem to like the idea, is there any chance of developing along this line of thought? -Forwarded Message- From: rd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: gentoo-user <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers. Date: Sun, 07 De

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread rd
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 16:08, Tom Wesley wrote: > I think that there is a high degree of probability that > portage-ng(-ng(-ng)) ;) will include some form of tree selection. I > personally would like to see something like this. Either pointing to a > completely different rsync server set, or havi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Jeff Smelser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 07 December 2003 04:08 pm, Tom Wesley wrote: > I think that there is a high degree of probability that > portage-ng(-ng(-ng)) ;) will include some form of tree selection. I > personally would like to see something like this. Either pointing

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Jeff Smelser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 07 December 2003 03:56 pm, rd wrote: > Jeff - > > I agree with you. I only like to update my 3 systems a few times each > year -- the regression testing is *way* too much work. > > Ever try "revdep-build" just to see how much trouble you are

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Tom Wesley
On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 20:26, Jeff Smelser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 07 December 2003 01:56 pm, Eric Paynter wrote: > > Nobody said they have to apply every change. You really only need to > > apply the security patches. As for the rest, read the changel

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread rd
Jeff - I agree with you. I only like to update my 3 systems a few times each year -- the regression testing is *way* too much work. Ever try "revdep-build" just to see how much trouble you are really in? -rdg On Sun, 2003-12-07 at 14:26, Jeff Smelser wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Jeff Smelser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 07 December 2003 01:56 pm, Eric Paynter wrote: > Nobody said they have to apply every change. You really only need to > apply the security patches. As for the rest, read the changelog and > see if there is any benefit to updating - often ther

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Eric Paynter
> It really erritates them when the devs delete a package because > they are, so called, 3-5 versions up. They only like upgrading > every do often. Hell, most of them have a hard time keeping up > with windows security updates, how can they handle a distro like > this? Nobody said they have to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread rd
For me, the problem w/ gentoo as corp production is this -- Everytime I update a package, I must run a full system/application regression test -- to be certain that *everything* still works. This is a *major* undertaking -- at least 2 days of full time effort. What I really need to be able to d

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread Jeff Smelser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 07 December 2003 10:35 am, collins wrote: > On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 14:07, Eric Paynter wrote: > > brett holcomb said: > > >>This quote was made by Daniel Robbins in an OSNews > > >>article. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1080 > > >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-07 Thread collins
On Fri, 2003-12-05 at 14:07, Eric Paynter wrote: > brett holcomb said: > >>This quote was made by Daniel Robbins in an OSNews > >>article. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1080 > >> > >>"Gentoo Linux is currently a "bleeding-edge" type distro. Wrong!!! It's only bleeding edge if you choos

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-05 Thread brett holcomb
Hmm, I didn't say this - Mr. Simpson did. However, yes, ~ means it's unstable for various reasons (ebuild not tested, app is unstable, etc.) so those of us who need to run use no ~arch. The no ~arch is stable stuff and Gentoo seems to be pretty conservative in what they recommmend. On Fri, 5

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-05 Thread Eric Paynter
brett holcomb said: >>This quote was made by Daniel Robbins in an OSNews >>article. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1080 >> >>"Gentoo Linux is currently a "bleeding-edge" type distro. >>It makes Gentoo Linux the ideal distribution for >>hobbyists who get lots of cool toys before everyone e

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-05 Thread Christian Aust
brett holcomb ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) schrieb am 05.12.2003 21:50 Uhr: >> Since this was based off of Gentoo 1.0 how relevant is >> this for the current 1.4 release in a production server >> environment? I'm running Gentoo on production servers on the internet for more than 18 months now, and find it

[gentoo-user] Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo for production servers.

2003-12-05 Thread brett holcomb
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 14:38:15 -0500 "Brett Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This quote was made by Daniel Robbins in an OSNews article. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1080 "Gentoo Linux is currently a "bleeding-edge" type distro. It makes Gentoo Linux the ideal distribution for hob