Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Graham Murray
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gentoo needs an easy to use, graphical installation CD, period. What I > would do is lower(simplify) the goals of what that installation CD > accomplishes. Once you get a drive prepared, kernel installed and the > basic tools installed (binary or compiled). At t

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:22:14 +0100 schrieb Herbert Laubner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer > working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. > > Regards, > Herb The page I have open eventually finishes loading, bu

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread »Q«
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: > > > We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek > > first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. > > Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are >

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Teng Wang
I suggest you install ntpd, which will sync time with ntp server. And I dont think set CLOCK="UTC" is a good idea. If you are using WINXP, it will change your clock to local always. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread James
Vaeth mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de> writes: > Only if you run CLOCK=UTC the shift is guaranteed to work in any case > (of course, unless another program like windows interferes). Well 'local' did not work, so I'm going to set it to UTC and see what happens in the spring. James -- [EMAIL P

[gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread James
Albert Hopkins letterboxes.org> writes: > /etc/init.d/clock is run pretty early in the init process; before all > filesystems in /etc/fstab are mounted. If /usr/share/zoneinfo is on a > filesystem that is not mounted when /etc/init.d/clock is run then it > will fail and ugly things will happen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:03 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: [snip] Sorry to jump in late in the thread, but have you come across sabayon? It seems to address some of your concerns... http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php http://junauza.blogspot.com/2007/09/sabayon-gentle-

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:18:35 + Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And the Gentoo > manual install is not exactly difficult, it just needs a wilingness to > read the docs. A prerequisite that is well deserved. The question is whether there's a place for another option. The present se

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} method for graphing server stuff?

2007-11-08 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 08:02 -0800, Grant wrote: > > +1 to rrdtool. At my company, we set up rrdtool to graph 100's of > > graphs per day on all sorts of data from different sources. It's very > > customisable, if you want to spend the time on it. I also found the > > creator and forum very sup

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:40:26 -0800 kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I hate to pull the "expert" card, but I was the network > engineer/architect who built Netzero's original network so I've got > some passing familiarity with this stuff. I'm glad you pulled this card; I want to learn

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:45:44 + (UTC), James wrote: > > At which point the new user is diving into the handbook partway > > though, missing important information from the first part. There is > > no point in using graphical installer if users still need to drop to > > the command line to adminis

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread kashani
Dan Farrell wrote: It's because of the metric of the routes in the routing table, actually. Without routing, your computer talks to no one. Haven't you ever set up a network connection by hand : ) ? I hate to pull the "expert" card, but I was the network engineer/architect who built Netze

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:22:14 +0100 Herbert Laubner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer > working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. > > Regards, > Herb Looks like it's down, at least as I'm seeing it. Ge

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade -> re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 10:05:09 +0100 Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > > This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current > in ~x86 before that (2.6.). > > Do you guys do a "emerge -e system", ie. recompile everything, after > such an upgrade? > > Tha

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The setup program seems to have failed.

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:22:58 +0200 Rumen Yotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The 'old' install method meant to use just no-X terminal from a > LiveCD. Then you just follow the handbook (installation) and you're > done. Could be done for half an hour/45 min/,but an hour or two will > suffice for most

Re: [gentoo-user] The setup program seems to have failed.

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:31:33 +0200 Rumen Yotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > The graphical installer is known to fail sometimes (not always :-) > Many people prefer the (old) install method - using a terminal. ++. Miernik, I _highly_ recommend using a the manual install method from th

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:13:48 -0800 kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Buying a single GigE card would appear to be simpler and cheaper > unless you don't have a GigE switch. :-) well, it just so happens I don't. (The 4-port card cost me $0). Some day the file servers will have Gigabit, and so

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Albert Hopkins
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 17:29 -0500, Eric Martin wrote: > Why copy? when stuff gets updated you'll have to copy again. I'd > suggest making a symlink. Also, I see the timestamps and sizes are the > same, but are the md5's the same? If not, these aren't the same file. > Copy is what the emerg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Eric Martin
James wrote: > Shawn Haggett podgeweb.com> writes: > > > >>> In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: >>> CLOCK="local" >>> TIMEZONE="America/New_York" >>> CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" >>> > > >> Is the /etc/localtime file correct? i.e.: >> > > >> $ cp /usr/share/zo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Roger Mason
James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Any other ideas? > Maybe I need to 'reemerge' something? > timezone-data? Cheers, Roger -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Eric Martin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: > >> Pretty short, if you ask me ;) >> What? >> Pardon? >> Exactly. >> That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be >> administering a system. >> See howto. >> They don't belong toge

[gentoo-user] dev-games/ogre compilation failure

2007-11-08 Thread Lucas Prado Melo
When I emerge ogre, I get the following error message: i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../OgreMain/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I../../OgreMain/include -DOGRE_NONCLIENT_BUILD -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -MT OgreActionTarget.lo -MD -

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread »Q«
Neil Bothwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/ says nothing about a November > release, or any release date for 2007.1, and that page should be > considered authoritative. In my browser, it does say something about a November release of 2007.1. But it also says

[gentoo-user] emerge Squeak fails misteriously

2007-11-08 Thread Rafael Barrera Oro
Hello people, i have a problem i don't know hoy to approach. When i try to emerge Squeak, it fails throwing the following error message: * * ERROR: dev-lang/squeak-3.9.7 failed. * Call stack: * ebuild.sh, line 1701: Called dyn_compile * ebuild.sh, line 1039: Called qa

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Wojciech `loqeek` Szarański
this is a problem with http server at gentoo-wiki.com. server is up and responding to (my) icmp request packet's ;) On Nov 8, 2007 7:32 PM, Kale Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 11/8/07, Herbert Laubner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without l

Re: [gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Kale Booth
On 11/8/07, Herbert Laubner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working > fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. > > Regards, > Herb > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > > times out for me -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[gentoo-user] Is gentoo-wiki.com down?

2007-11-08 Thread Herbert Laubner
Hi, I am trying to get on gentoo-wiki.com. Without luck. Other pages aer working fine, so I do not think, it is a problem of my settings. Regards, Herb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 08 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > > 071108 James wrote: > > > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > > > CLOCK="local" > > > > That sb "utc". > > I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clo

[gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread James
Neil Bothwick digimed.co.uk> writes: > > All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an > > easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source > > code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use > > graphical installation, should only b

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} method for graphing server stuff?

2007-11-08 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:02:58 -0800 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I was thinking it would be pretty handy to generate a series of > > > > transposed (or not) graphs for data like cpu usage, mysql usage, > > > > memory usage, external monitoring response times, http traffic, > > > > e

Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} method for graphing server stuff?

2007-11-08 Thread Grant
> > > I was thinking it would be pretty handy to generate a series of > > > transposed (or not) graphs for data like cpu usage, mysql usage, > > > memory usage, external monitoring response times, http traffic, etc. > > > My external monitoring service has an API I can hook into and http > > > traf

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread felix
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 02:35:06AM -0500, Philip Webb wrote: > 071108 James wrote: > > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > > CLOCK="local" > > That sb "utc". I have heard that Windows expects the hardware clock to be in local time, including daylight savings adjustmen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread felix
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 11:48:11AM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Pretty short, if you ask me ;) > What? > Pardon? > Exactly. > That's too basic. People asking that kind of question shouldn't be > administering a system. > See howto. > They don't belong together. See the howto. > What? > It isn't.

Re: [gentoo-user] Daylight savings time

2007-11-08 Thread Vaeth
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote: > In my /etc/conf.d/clock file I have these relevant settings: > CLOCK="local" > TIMEZONE="America/New_York" > CLOCK_SYSTOHC="yes" > > it's a dual boot (XP & gentoo) workstation. > > I had to set the time manually to adjust for the 1 hour shift. I guess you mean t

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Bryan Whitehead
Google "bonding linux". Basically at the ethernet level you make eth[0-3] = bond0. You'll then have the bandwidth of all the nics as one nic. Your switch might need some extra setup - but this is the best way to go. On 11/8/07, kashani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dan Farrell wrote: > > Thanks f

Re: [gentoo-user] Multiple Routes to the same Subnet

2007-11-08 Thread Mike Williams
On Thursday 08 November 2007 00:26:18 Dan Farrell wrote: > So, let's say I bond the 4 together.  Now I have 2 interfaces, a bond > and eth0.  I still need to route through one or the other, so I still > have the problem.   So you've got 5 interfaces? Once you've bonded interfaces together the unde

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT: Is EVMS dead?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Eric S. Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexander Skwar wrote: >> Eric S. Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Dirk Heinrichs wrote: >> pvcreate /dev/hda vgcreate data /dev/hda lvcreate -L42g data mkfs >> /dev/data/lvol0 >> >> What's so hard about that? Does that fit on a postcard? >

[gentoo-user] Trying to install binary package -> Endless loop of cache miss?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Hello. I'm trying to install one package from a binary package http host. To do so, I added to my make.conf: PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://public-files.askwar.gentoo-packages.s3.amazonaws.com/GentooUSB/packages/All/"; Now I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: > > >> We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first, >> and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. >> > > Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are > already amp

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Neil Bothwick wrote: All that would do is increase the number of disaffected users. You need to read the documentation and use the command line to use Gentoo effectively, hiding that behind a pretty pointy-clicky installer until the system is installed and then hitting the user with the truth c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote: > We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first, > and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem. Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are already amply catered for by other distros. I would nev

[gentoo-user] man mount ?!

2007-11-08 Thread Jorge Almeida
I found this by chance: http://linux.die.net/man/8/mount Somewhat different from the output of "man mount". What is happening here? Things like mount --make-shared mountpoint mount --make-slave mountpoint mount --make-private mountpoint mount --make-unbindable moun

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the 2007.1

2007-11-08 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:24:49 + (UTC), James wrote: > All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an > easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source > code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use > graphical installation, should

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade -> re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Rumen Yotov
On (08/11/07 10:14) Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: > > Hello! > > > > This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current > > in ~x86 before that (2.6.). > > > > Do you guys do a "emerge -e system", ie. recompile everyth

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade -> re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, Alexander Skwar wrote: > Hello! > > This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current > in ~x86 before that (2.6.). > > Do you guys do a "emerge -e system", ie. recompile everything, after such > an upgrade? > > Thanks, > > Alexander Skwar

[gentoo-user] glibc upgrade -> re-emerge system?

2007-11-08 Thread Alexander Skwar
Hello! This morning, I upgraded to glibc 2.7 from whatever used to be current in ~x86 before that (2.6.). Do you guys do a "emerge -e system", ie. recompile everything, after such an upgrade? Thanks, Alexander Skwar -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list