Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:16:48 +1000 Paul Colquhoun wrote: > I've had a look at the stuff at those links, and some of what they > link to in turn, and had a bit of a think about it. > > Looking at "initramfs" as a modern Linux replacement for the > "bootable / partition" of traditional Unix system

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 9/10/2011 5:28 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:19:10 -0400 Michael Mol wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Dale wrote: Mick wrote: From my understanding, the dev is not listening. That is another thing that bothers me. When devs stop listening to users, that causes

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sep 11, 2011 3:25 PM, "Mike Edenfield" wrote: > > It would make perfect sense to me for the udev maintainer to simply declare a split /,/usr "not supported" and let us deal with the issues. The problem, if I'm reading correctly, is that he's taken things one step further and decided to move ude

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 10 September 2011 23:35:56 Alex Schuster wrote: > Alan McKinnon writes: > > And they are both grammar Nazis. > > And I thought that was Peter Humphrey... or are all of you the same > person? Who can tell. First among equals? And seventh on the list! > > She is not in the least surpr

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread pk
On 2011-09-10 18:09, Dale wrote: > From my understanding, the dev is not listening. That is another thing > that bothers me. When devs stop listening to users, that causes a AFAIU he doesn't listen to people not running RHEL/Fedora (or any of the big binary distros). For a binary distro, that m

[gentoo-user] Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
Hello List, I was getting fed up with the bloat and maintenance headaches with my setup, which used the kde desktop profile and emerge kde-meta. So I formatted the root partition and installed from scratch. This time I kept the standard profile and only emerged the packages I wanted. I kept the

[gentoo-user] X keyboard model insists of being "pc104"

2011-09-11 Thread meino . cramer
Hi, when doing a setxkbmap -v -query I get: Trying to build keymap using the following components: keycodes: evdev+aliases(qwerty) types: complete compat: complete symbols:pc+us(altgr-intl)+inet(evdev)+capslock(none) geometry: pc(pc104) xkb_key

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Keith Dart writes: > === On Sun, 09/11, Alex Schuster wrote: === > > Interesting. What are the advantages? > > Mainly that it's simpler, as a bootloader should be. However it does > have some nice features, such as making nice looking, interactive > menus. You can also edit the config file by han

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Paul Colquhoun writes: > Looking at "initramfs" as a modern Linux replacement for the > "bootable / partition" of traditional Unix systems does make some > sense, even though I think it could be made simpler. > > Fot those opposed to initramfs, would you also object to /boot being > 1) a mandit

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread David W Noon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:52:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about "[gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?": >I've just read about the 'new' Linux Counter from a slashdot article, >and I wonder: is there a 'Gentoo Counter' that tracks (voluntarily, of >course) the number of active Gentoo systems in the world? W

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Michael Mol
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David W Noon wrote: > [BTW, can you ditch the HTML please?  This is an Internet mailing list, > and it has long been considered poor Netiquette to use HTML messages. > Plain text is perfectly adequate to convey information, and is much > lighter to transport and re

[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sunday, September 11, 2011, David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:52:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about > "[gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?": > >>I've just read about the 'new' Linux Counter from a slashdot article, >>and I wonder: is there a 'Gentoo Counter' that tracks (voluntarily, of >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread András Csányi
On 11 September 2011 14:43, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > Eh? Sorry about the HTML bits; Android's Gmail client doesn't seem to be > configurable about that. Android client is not able to handle plain/text emails. :( -- - - --  Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando)  -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 06 September 2011 23:53:16 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Ninety-Ninety Rule Of Project Schedules - The first ninety percent of > the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent > takes the other ninety percent of the time. Where I worked we used to say the first 50% of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:50:25 +0200 András Csányi wrote: > On 11 September 2011 14:43, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > > > Eh? Sorry about the HTML bits; Android's Gmail client doesn't seem > > to be configurable about that. > > Android client is not able to handle plain/text emails. :( > It's also al

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?

2011-09-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:55:08 +0100 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 06 September 2011 23:53:16 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Ninety-Ninety Rule Of Project Schedules - The first ninety percent > > of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten > > percent takes the other ninety percen

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 19:50, András Csányi wrote: > On 11 September 2011 14:43, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> >> Eh? Sorry about the HTML bits; Android's Gmail client doesn't seem to be >> configurable about that. > > Android client is not able to handle plain/text emails. :( > > -- > - - > --  Csanyi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 20:05, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 14:50:25 +0200 > András Csányi wrote: > >> On 11 September 2011 14:43, Pandu Poluan wrote: >> > >> > Eh? Sorry about the HTML bits; Android's Gmail client doesn't seem >> > to be configurable about that. >> >> Android clie

Re: [gentoo-user] /var/db gone: possible opportunity to switch profile

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Saturday 10 September 2011 23:37:21 Alex Schuster wrote: > And to go amd64 :) See it as an opportunity to do this. For me, the > biggest advantage compared to x86 was that I could use more memory. Apart > from that, there were not so many differences. I have this in my make.conf. The cpu is c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 11 September 2011 14:06:58 Alan McKinnon wrote: > Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst possible > estimate for how long it will take. > > Then multiply by pi On one large project (200 man-years) we found the factor was 2.3. But by the time we had enough data t

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:08:17 +0700 Pandu Poluan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 19:50, András Csányi > wrote: > > On 11 September 2011 14:43, Pandu Poluan wrote: > >> > >> Eh? Sorry about the HTML bits; Android's Gmail client doesn't seem > >> to be configurable about that. > > > > Android cli

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Alan Mackenzie
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 01:30:12PM +0100, David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:52:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about > [BTW, can you ditch the HTML please? This is an Internet mailing list, > and it has long been considered poor Netiquette to use HTML messages. > Plain text is perfectly a

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Pandu Poluan
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 21:20, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 01:30:12PM +0100, David W Noon wrote: >> On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 13:52:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about > >> [BTW, can you ditch the HTML please?  This is an Internet mailing list, >> and it has long been considered poor

[SOLVED] Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird addons is now full of gunk....

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Lowe
On 09/05/11 17:13, Sebastian Beßler wrote: Am 05.09.2011 18:25, schrieb Andrew Lowe: Plenty of tips on the web on how to install it, but I want to uninstall it. Rebuild without lightning and crypt USE-Flags, then run emerge --depclean to get rid off the now unneded libs and packages. That sh

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread David W Noon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 08:35:40 -0400, Michael Mol wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo counter?: > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David W Noon > wrote: > > [BTW, can you ditch the HTML please?  This is an Internet mailing > > list, and it has long been considered poor Netiquette to use HTML > > m

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Paul Colquhoun wrote: On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:24:06 PM pk wrote: On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse it Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at it, slap him from me too! ;-) It _may_ be this guy that's responsible

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Mick
On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote: > Paul Colquhoun wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:24:06 PM pk wrote: > >> On 2011-09-09 10:53, Dale wrote: > >>> Can I slap whoever started this? The more I think on this, the worse > >>> it > >> > >> Yes Dale, you have my permission! And while you're at

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?

2011-09-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:06:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst possible > estimate for how long it will take. > > Then multiply by pi To how many places? -- Neil Bothwick It's not who you know; it's whom you know. signature.asc Desc

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo counter?

2011-09-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:11:27 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote: > > K9Mail on Android is a fine substitute, it behaves more like the > > regular clients we are all used to. > > > > I miss the threaded view, though :-( I would say this is the single greatest failing of K9Mail. Having started using it

Re: [gentoo-user] Filesystem with lowest CPU load, acceptable emerge performance, and stable?

2011-09-11 Thread Jesús J . Guerrero Botella
It all comes down to what do you want to prioritize here. If you want minimal downtimes in case that there's a power source failure of any kind, then you probably want ext4 which will give you the fastest fsck times. Or, you might want to check into sqashfs on a flash drive for your rootfs and use

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Mick wrote: On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote: I always have /boot on a separate partition and it is always ext2. So, that is done. I also have a 200Mb /boot partition. It sometimes gets about half full but I could just clean out old kernels more often. I could always make /boot larg

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What is up with the libreoffice ebuild?

2011-09-11 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 21:17:20 +0100 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 15:06:58 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Our rule of thumb for estimated schedules is to get the worst > > possible estimate for how long it will take. > > > > Then multiply by pi > > To how many places? > > As

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread David W Noon
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:23 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: > Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote: > > > > I always have /boot on a separate partition and it is always ext2. > > So, that is done. I also have a 200Mb /boot partition. It

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
David W Noon wrote: On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:23 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: Mick wrote: On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote: I always have /boot on a separate partition and it is always ext2. So, that is done. I also have a 200Mb /boot partitio

[gentoo-user] Re: Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-11 Thread walt
On 09/11/2011 03:17 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello List, > > I was getting fed up with the bloat and maintenance headaches with my setup, > which used the kde desktop profile and emerge kde-meta. > > So I formatted the root partition and installed from scratch. This time I > kept the standar

Re: [gentoo-user] Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:17:17AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote > But I have no sound! KDE tells me the hardware doesn't work, and alsaconf > says it can't detect any PCI hardware. Lspci -k shows snd-hda-intel module > loaded though, so I can't see what's missing. > > Any clues, anyone? When

[gentoo-user] Re: X keyboard model insists of being "pc104"

2011-09-11 Thread walt
On 09/11/2011 04:29 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > ... > I copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf to > /etc/X11/xorg-conf.d/99-evdev.conf and edited it > > The relevant part of xorg.conf says: > ... I may be misreading your post (of course :) but my first thought is that you have three diff

[gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Francisco Ares
Hi, All Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during boot? Or do the boot process need it to read/write to it? I have found that mounting local file systems is one of the very first tasks on "rc boot". Thanks Francisco

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Michael Mol
Yes. Man fstab. On Sep 11, 2011 7:19 PM, "Francisco Ares" wrote: > Hi, All > > Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during boot? > > Or do the boot process need it to read/write to it? > > I have found that mounting local file systems is one of the very first tasks > on "rc

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Francisco Ares
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Michael Mol wrote: > Yes. Man fstab. > On Sep 11, 2011 7:19 PM, "Francisco Ares" wrote: > > Hi, All > > > > Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during boot? > > > > Or do the boot process need it to read/write to it? > > > > I have found

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Alex Schuster
Francisco Ares writes: > Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during > boot? This is very common. The advantage is that a process filling up the /var directory (which is bad) will not fill the root partition (which would be worse). But this might change - the upcoming cha

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Francisco Ares wrote: Hi, All Is it possible to have /var in a separate partition, mounted during boot? Or do the boot process need it to read/write to it? I have found that mounting local file systems is one of the very first tasks on "rc boot". Thanks Francisco I think I saw it mentione

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Francisco Ares
Thank you! And I have found it as a partitioning example on the docs, with "/var" on its own partition ( http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap4 ) Francisco On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Dale wrote: > Francisco Ares wrote: > >> Hi, All >> >> Is it

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Francisco Ares wrote: Thank you! And I have found it as a partitioning example on the docs, with "/var" on its own partition (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1#book_part1_chap4) Francisco That could be changing tho. It is documented that way now but the ch

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Sunday, September 11 at 18:54 (-0500), Dale said: > I think I saw it mentioned on -dev that some time shortly /usr > and /var > will be needed on / or you will need the init* thingy to boot. > That's > was my understanding of this mess. So, if you are about to do a > install > that needs

Re: [gentoo-user] [off-topic] - can /var be placed in a separate partition?

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Albert W. Hopkins wrote: On Sunday, September 11 at 18:54 (-0500), Dale said: I think I saw it mentioned on -dev that some time shortly /usr and /var will be needed on / or you will need the init* thingy to boot. That's was my understanding of this mess. So, if you are about to do a install t

Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot

2011-09-11 Thread James Wall
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:46 PM, David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 16:07:23 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: > [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: > >> Mick wrote: >> > On Sunday 11 Sep 2011 19:56:48 Dale wrote: >> > >> > I always have /boot on a separate partition and it is always ext2. >

[gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-11 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I see recover messages by kernel at boot (before init starts up). What's going wrong? I added the rc-service named root to the sysinit runlevel, but it seems nothing

Re: [gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-11 Thread Albert W. Hopkins
On Monday, September 12 at 07:23 (+0530), Nilesh Govindarajan said: > Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs > (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I > see recover messages by kernel at boot (before init starts up). > > What's going wrong

Re: [gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I see recover messages by kernel at boot (before init starts up). What's going wrong? I added the rc-service named root to the sysinit r

Re: [gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-11 Thread Nilesh Govindarajan
On Mon 12 Sep 2011 07:32:25 AM IST, Dale wrote: > Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: >> Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs >> (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I >> see recover messages by kernel at boot (before init starts up). >> >> What's g

Re: [gentoo-user] RootFS not umounting at shutdown?

2011-09-11 Thread Dale
Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Mon 12 Sep 2011 07:32:25 AM IST, Dale wrote: Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: Ever since I have updated my system on 20th September, my rootfs (/dev/sda2) isn't umounted (remounted ro) on shutdown, due to which I see recover messages by kernel at boot (before init starts

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: X keyboard model insists of being "pc104"

2011-09-11 Thread meino . cramer
walt [11-09-12 04:34]: > On 09/11/2011 04:29 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: > > ... > > I copied /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf to > > /etc/X11/xorg-conf.d/99-evdev.conf and edited it > > > > The relevant part of xorg.conf says: > > ... > > I may be misreading your post (of course :) but my

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Sunday 11 September 2011 23:31:18 walt wrote: > Does alsa-info give any useful messages? An encyclopaedia-full of info, among which I see "No sound servers found". > How about dmesg or syslog? Dmsg shows the hardware being set up OK; syslog nothing. > Did you keep any of the useflags from y

Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean wants to remove much of java. Is this safe?

2011-09-11 Thread Allan Gottlieb
On Sun, Sep 11 2011, Philip Webb wrote: > 110910 Allan Gottlieb wrote: >> I converted two machines from icedtea (java6) to oracle-jdk-bin (java7). >> I did in effect >> emerge --depclean icedtea icedtea-web =virtual/jdk-1.6.0 =virtual/jdk-1.6.0 >> On one machine portage now claims that I basicall

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Where has my sound gone?

2011-09-11 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday 12 September 2011 04:41:53 I wrote: > I've added USE=alsa and I'm remerging world now. Let's hope I'll be able > to listen to my favourite BBC Radio 3 soon! Now playing happily, though the BBC do still insist on Flash. Thanks for your help. So simple... -- Rgds Peter Linux