The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
BTW, respect for your patience in this thread!
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:53 AM, Alan McKinnon
> wrote:
>> > On 17/02/2014 17:29, Stroller wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, 16 February 2014, at 4:41 pm, Alan McKinnon
>>> >> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> Whatever problems Red Hat are trying to solve i
On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
>> The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee stop was not a
>> guaranteed stop to all forked cherokee processes -
On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
> wrote:
>> oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like? Doesn't
>> look like so.
>
> But it does, you can "cat" with journalctl; it's one of its output
> options:
On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>> I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
>>> The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee stop was not a
>>> gua
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:09:40 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > How Integrated? The TCP/IP stack *is* integrated. But it is *protocol*
> > integration, *standards* integration not *software* integration. You do want
> > tight integration where it just can't work otherwise, but the design of Unix
On 2014-02-17 3:17 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
OK, my choice of words was not appropriate. I mean that not every
kernel dev is happy that kdbus is in the kernel now.
Noted...
Also, please don't CC me, I'm on the list...
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>> I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
>>> The init script always failed me. /etc/init.d/cherokee stop was
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:54, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:52 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2014 05:46, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
I used to use cherokee. Fast, light, awesome, and with a web admin.
On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> What I do run into is daemons that drop privs on start up, like
>>> tac_plus. Unwary new sysadmins always try start/stop it as root,
>>> caus
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > How can you be sure if something is "large enough" if, as you say
> > below, you do not care about probabilities?
>
> By writing correct code?
No, by arguing that fixin
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
> The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
>> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
>
> Interesting. Didn't know that. What packages need to be recompiled?
Some
Hi,
i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't
work :-)
This is my setup:
Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use
gnome-stuff like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In the background my fluxbox
is also running a gnome-settings-daemon)
hcitool dev succes
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 3:54 AM, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Sun, February 16, 2014 22:16, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
>> wrote:
>>> oh? I can pipe that output into cat or any any daemon I like? Doesn't
>>> look like so.
>>
>> But it does, yo
Ralf wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't
> work :-)
>
> This is my setup:
> Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use
> gnome-stuff like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In the background my fluxbox
> is also running a gnome-sett
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 19:09:40 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> > How Integrated? The TCP/IP stack *is* integrated. But it is *protocol*
>> > integration, *standards* integration not *software* integration. You do
>> > want
>> > tight in
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Ralf
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i'm trying to set up a simple bluetooth keyboard, but somehow it won't work
> :-)
>
> This is my setup:
> Systemd + GDM + Fluxbox (this is the easiest way for me to use gnome-stuff
> like gnome-keyring-daemon, ... In the background my fluxbox
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:46:14 +0800 Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> init scripts, in general, are ad-hoc, quirky, and incomplete
> implementations of service supervision in bash. They're reliable so
> long as the daemon can be relied on to advertise one or all of its
> processes in a pid file. Thing is,
On 02/18/14 16:05, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> install gnome-bluetooth and run blue
This is what I get:
(bluetooth-wizard:3156): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Pair() failed:
Timeout was reached
** (bluetooth-wizard:3156): WARNING **: Setting up 'KC1280 BT
Keyboard' failed: Timeout was re
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Ralf
wrote:
> On 02/18/14 16:05, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> install gnome-bluetooth and run blue
>
> This is what I get:
>
> (bluetooth-wizard:3156): Bluetooth-WARNING **: Pair() failed: Timeout was
> reached
>
> ** (bluetooth-wizard:3156): WARNING **: Setting
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Ralf
wrote:
> On 02/18/14 17:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> systemctl status bluetooth.service
>
>
> Yes, sure, as I wrote above.
>
>Active: active (running) since Tue 2014-02-18 16:57:05 CET; 15min ago
>
> ps auxw|grep bluetoot
> root 3571 27.6
On 02/18/14 17:10, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> systemctl status bluetooth.service
Yes, sure, as I wrote above.
Active: active (running) since Tue 2014-02-18 16:57:05 CET; 15min ago
ps auxw|grep bluetoot
root 3571 27.6 0.0 21200 2112 ?Rs 16:57 4:29
/usr
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
this question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
opposed to manually trying to do it via USE flags etc, a practical
request, o
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:35:34 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
[...]
> >> >>> Complexity means bugs.
> >> >> Bugs get reported, bugs get fixes. Life goes on.
> >>
> >> You didn't answered this, did you?
> >
> > Bugs are different.
>
> Bugs are bugs, period. And they get reported and fixed.
Bugs ar
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:24:05 -0500, Tanstaafl
wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
>
> I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
> this question...
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
> opposed
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
> > I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux, and I
> > promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously you don't
> > need to believe in my credentials.
>
> I have said you, he is just an unpayed fanatic systemd promot
I got it working!
But I can't reproduce what i did..
I played around with "bluetoothctl" which seems to be a interactive
replacement for simple-agent.
After powering my bluetooth device on and off, trusting and untrusting,
pairing and unpairing for several times it now *seems* to work.
It even c
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
>
> I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
> question...
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as opposed
> to manu
Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
CPU...
I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
Come on...
On 02/18/14 17:49, Ralf wrote:
> I got it working!
>
> But I can't reproduce what i did..
>
> I played around with "bluetoothctl" wh
On 2014-02-18 11:39 AM, eroen wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:24:05 -0500, Tanstaafl
wrote:
Hi all,
Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer
this question...
Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz wrote:
> [ snip ]
> > How can you be sure if something is "large enough" if, as you say below,
> > you do not care about probabilities?
>
> By writing correct code?
Real world code without mis
How to unsubscribe?
2014.02.18. 17:26 ezt írta ("Tanstaafl" ):
> Hi all,
>
> Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
>
> I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
> question...
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
> opp
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
[...]
> Bugs are not equal. They differ in at least two dimensions:
> significance depending on the component affected and severity of the
> bug itself.
I've never said that they don't have different significance, severity
or scope. I said
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:43:22 +0400
Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
> > > I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux,
> > > and I promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously
> > > you don't need to believe in my credential
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 04:05:03 +0200 Gevisz wrote:
>> > I mean, I myself know a thing or two about computing and Linux, and I
>> > promote systemd (and nobody pays me, BTW), but obviously you don't
>> > need to believe in my credentials.
>>
Burst out laughing reading this mail after reading this thread and the
other systemd one.
Anyways you'll find instructions here http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml.
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Simon László
wrote:
> How to unsubscribe?
>
> 2014.02.18. 17:26 ezt írta ("Tanstaafl" ):
>
>>
On Tuesday 18 February 2014 09:54 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
>
> I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
> question...
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
> opposed t
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz wrote:
>> [ snip ]
>> > How can you be sure if something is "large enough" if, as you say below,
>> > you do not care about probabil
I'll try to be short.
On 18.02.2014 05:09, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
The whole point of creating new software is making things easier. Easier to
use, easier to maintain, easier to remove.
Well, systemd is easier to use after a little time learning how it
works. And it seems to be easier to ma
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Ralf
wrote:
> Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
> CPU...
>
> I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
Please don't top-post.
That seems like a bug. What does the logs say?
journalctl -b -u bl
Ralf wrote:
> Oh no... After turning of the keyboard, bluetoothd start to consume 100%
> CPU...
>
> I have to run systemctl restart bluetooth after unconnecting my device.
>
> Come on...
>
> On 02/18/14 17:49, Ralf wrote:
> > I got it working!
> >
> > But I can't reproduce what i did..
> >
> >
On Tuesday 18 February 2014 10:46 PM, Yohan Pereira wrote:
> Burst out laughing reading this mail after reading this thread and the
> other systemd one.
> Anyways you'll find instructions here
> http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml.
>
Don't you like jokers? ;-)
No offense, but RTFM!
Am Dienstag 18 Februar 2014, 11:24:05 schrieb Tanstaafl:
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
> opposed to manually trying to do it via USE flags etc, a practical
> request, or not?
>
Have a look at the files in profiles/targets/systemd/
http://sources.gentoo.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:47 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > The whole deep integration approach and lack of
> > inter-module boundaries doesn't allow one to write replaceable blocks
> > without crazy hacking.
>
> Well, then go and show them how it's done. And please don't say that
> "it's al
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Yuri K. Shatroff wrote:
> I'll try to be short.
[ snip ]
> You, as a person declaring ability to code, must understand what
> removal/substitution of components is important for.
In some cases it is; in some others it just creates a chaos, like it
was the plumbin
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> > Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
> > to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd
> > profile for those willing to use it.
>
> Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> > Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
>> > to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd
>> > profile for those willing t
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:47 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> > The whole deep integration approach and lack of
>> > inter-module boundaries doesn't allow one to write replaceable blocks
>> > without crazy hacking.
>>
>> Well, then go
On 2014-02-18 1:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separa
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On 02/18/14 17:56, Gevisz wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 23:30:42 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Gevisz
>> wrote: [ snip ]
>>> How can you be sure if something is "large enough" if, as you
>>> say below, you
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-18 1:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
> Yet again, I respect ones right to use whate
On 2014-02-18 1:54 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:> On
Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> I'm curious as to the extent of these programs, and to what extent
>> they *truly* require systemd.
> I don't understand what you mean by "the extent of these programs".
Sorry, worded that
On Tue, Feb 18 2014, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote:
>> The 17/02/14, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>>
>>> It depends; right now you can't switch back and forth between OpenRC
>>> and systemd without reemerging some stuff.
>>
>> Interesting. Didn
On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:07:12 +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
> > Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to
> > use systemd.
>
> Or to create a non-systemd profile :)
We already have many of those, because systemd is not the default. Part
of making it the default, if
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 2014-02-18 1:54 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:> On
> Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>> I'm curious as to the extent of these programs, and to what extent
>>> they *truly* require systemd.
>
>> I don't understand what you me
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 22:07:12 +0400, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>
>> > Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to
>> > use systemd.
>>
>> Or to create a non-systemd profile :)
>
> We already have many of those, because
On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
Hello List.
> and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that you can't
> just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it
> or not.
A few weeks ago I wanted to see what systemd is really like so I started
a littl
On Feb 18, 2014 3:05 PM, "Sebastian Beßler"
wrote:
>
> On 16.02.2014 21:56, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>
> Hello List.
>
> > and all are linked (not compile&link) in such a manner that you can't
> > just pick and choose. Oh no, you get the full treatment if you like it
> > or not.
>
> A few weeks
Am Dienstag, 18.02.2014 um 14:09
schrieb Tanstaafl :
> >> I can't for the life of me think of any reason that server daemons
> >> like postfix, dovecot, apache, etc would or could ever *require*
> >> systemd.
>
> > Neither of those packages would ever require systemd (nor any init
> > system).
On 18/02/2014 23:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the journal, and
> have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs if you
> so desire.
>
Please do not use that phrase legacy in this context.
Classic syslogging is not legacy.
On 18/02/2014 13:54, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>> Shouldn't sysadmins use the init-scripts for that?
>> > If done correctly, permissions should not be an issue.
>> >
>> > Restarting services without keeping file ownership into account will
>> > always cause issues. Regardless of the init-system used
On 18/02/2014 14:16, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 18/02/2014 11:52, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>> On Tue, February 18, 2014 10:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:
What I do run into is daemons that drop privs on start up, like
tac_plus. Unwary new sysad
On 18/02/2014 18:24, Tanstaafl wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Ok, before I go and open up a bug requesting this...
>
> I know there have to be a lot of people on this list who can answer this
> question...
>
> Is making the use of systemd or not based on a selected Profile, as
> opposed to manually trying
On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 4:35 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 18/02/2014 23:32, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> And you always can run other legacy logger alongside the journal, and
>> have both things; binary logs for fast retrieval, and text logs if you
>> so desire.
>
> Please do not use that phrase
On Feb 18, 2014 1:13 PM, "J. Roeleveld" wrote:
>
> On 18 February 2014 06:03:02 CET, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> >Hello list!
> >
> >I'm planning to replace an Active Directory server currently
> >functioning
> >*only* as an LDAP server, with a dedicated Linux-based LDAP server.
> >
> >Now, the functio
On 19 February 2014 05:11:12 CET, Pandu Poluan wrote:
>On Feb 18, 2014 1:13 PM, "J. Roeleveld" wrote:
>>
>> On 18 February 2014 06:03:02 CET, Pandu Poluan
>wrote:
>> >Hello list!
>> >
>> >I'm planning to replace an Active Directory server currently
>> >functioning
>> >*only* as an LDAP server, w
On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask
to respect mine as well. That's why I propo
On Wed, February 19, 2014 00:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 18/02/2014 14:16, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Tue, February 18, 2014 12:17, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> It's a little more complex than just that. It's an auth service and
>>> user
>>> are frequently added, removed and modified. The daemon does
On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Daniel Campbell wrote:
> On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wan
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