Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 20:27:34 -0600, Dale wrote: > > If you wait for a few seconds after the backup is completed before > > you unmount the drive, you should be OK. Although it may slow down > > or any LEDs flash less frequently the drive may not stop spinning, > > unless there is some power save p

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

On 30.12.19 16:40, Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 30, 2019 4:42 PM, Philip Webb wrote: I can submit it to KDE Bugs, but first what to others think re it ? What I think about it is that I object to you wasting your time by submitting bug report

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 20:27:34 -0600, Dale wrote: > >>> If you wait for a few seconds after the backup is completed before >>> you unmount the drive, you should be OK. Although it may slow down >>> or any LEDs flash less frequently the drive may not stop spinning, >>> unless th

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

191230 Philip Webb wrote: > I've submitted Gentoo Bug 704264 . There is already a KDE bug report : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413104 The Gentoo bug report is still open. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Phili

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

Em qui., 2 de jan. de 2020 às 07:49, Dale escreveu: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 20:27:34 -0600, Dale wrote: > > > >>> If you wait for a few seconds after the backup is completed before > >>> you unmount the drive, you should be OK. Although it may slow down > >>> or any LEDs fl

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:47 PM, Dan Johansson wrote: > @Caveman Al Toraboran: If you do not like KDE, that is fine with me, BUT > then, you do NOT have to "pollute" the thread with your opinions if they > do nothing to solve this KDE issue. Please stop "pol

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:49 AM Dale wrote: > > lol I didn't think of that and I don't recall anyone else thinking of > it either. That is because syncing before unmounting doesn't do anything. Unless you use --lazy umount blocks until all writes are complete to a device. The instant it returns

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Thursday, 2 January 2020 14:43:58 GMT Rich Freeman wrote: > Out of curiosity, what model drive is it? Is it by chance an SMR / > archive drive? Good catch! I hadn't thought of this - the Linux kernel will need to have DM_ZONED enabled I think, for the OS to manager the shingled writes s

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 11:23 AM Mick wrote: > > On Thursday, 2 January 2020 14:43:58 GMT Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Out of curiosity, what model drive is it? Is it by chance an SMR / > > archive drive? > > Good catch! I hadn't thought of this - the Linux kernel will need to have > DM_ZONED enab

[gentoo-user] Re: External hard drive and idle activity

On 2020-01-01 18:09, Dale wrote: > As some may recall, I have a 8TB external SATA hard drive that I do > back ups on. Usually, I back up once a day, more often if > needed. Usually I turn the power on, mount it, do the back ups, > unmount and turn the power back off. Usually it is powered up for 5

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

Francisco Ares wrote: > > > Em qui., 2 de jan. de 2020 às 07:49, Dale > escreveu: > > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 20:27:34 -0600, Dale wrote: > > > >>> If you wait for a few seconds after the backup is completed before > >>> you unmo

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:49 AM Dale wrote: >> lol I didn't think of that and I don't recall anyone else thinking of >> it either. > That is because syncing before unmounting doesn't do anything. Unless > you use --lazy umount blocks until all writes are complete to a > devi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: External hard drive and idle activity

Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-01-01 18:09, Dale wrote: > >> As some may recall, I have a 8TB external SATA hard drive that I do >> back ups on. Usually, I back up once a day, more often if >> needed. Usually I turn the power on, mount it, do the back ups, >> unmount and turn the power back off. Us

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, January 2, 2020 2:47 PM, Dan Johansson wrote: > >> @Caveman Al Toraboran: If you do not like KDE, that is fine with me, BUT >> then, you do NOT have to "pollute" the thread with your opinions if they >> do nothing to sol

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:41 PM Dale wrote: > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > Out of curiosity, what model drive is it? Is it by chance an SMR / > > archive drive? > > Device Model: ST8000AS0003-2HH188 > > I recall reading about SMR but can't recall the details of what it is. > As far as I know,

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 2, 2020 12:12 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:41 PM Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Rich Freeman wrote: > > > > > Out of curiosity, what model drive is it? Is it by chance an SMR / > > > archive drive? > > > > Devic

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:53 PM, Dale wrote: > I'm not sure how either of your posts helped the OP.  You don't like > KDE, you think KDE doesn't fix bugs, got it.  I'm not sure how that > helps with the problem.  I've filed a bug report or two in the past wit

[gentoo-user] revdep-rebuild ignoring SEARCH_DIRS_MASK

Has anybody else noticed that revdep-rebuild recently started to ignore SEARCH_DIRS_MASK? I have it set thusly in make.conf SEARCH_DIRS_MASK="/usr/lib/digilent/waveforms" and that used to prevent revdep-rebuild from reinstalling sci-electronics/digilent-waveforms every time (it's a binary inst

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: External hard drive and idle activity

On Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:48:03 GMT Dale wrote: > Ian Zimmerman wrote: > > On 2020-01-01 18:09, Dale wrote: > >> As some may recall, I have a 8TB external SATA hard drive that I do > >> back ups on. Usually, I back up once a day, more often if > >> needed. Usually I turn the power on, mount it

Re: [gentoo-user] "Application Menu" missing on Desktop after Plasma update to 5.17.4 : bug reported

Caveman Al Toraboran wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Thursday, January 2, 2020 10:53 PM, Dale wrote: >> I'm not sure how either of your posts helped the OP.  You don't like >> KDE, you think KDE doesn't fix bugs, got it.  I'm not sure how that >> helps with the problem.  I've filed

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

Rich Freeman wrote: > On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 1:41 PM Dale wrote: >> Rich Freeman wrote: >>> Out of curiosity, what model drive is it? Is it by chance an SMR / >>> archive drive? >> Device Model: ST8000AS0003-2HH188 >> >> I recall reading about SMR but can't recall the details of what it is. >

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On 02/01/2020 19:12, Rich Freeman wrote: For reads they're completely normal. For sequential writes to unused space they're completely normal. For random writes or overwrites they are significantly different from traditional hard drives. That's why the "S" stands for "shingled" (which means "

Re: [gentoo-user] External hard drive and idle activity

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 7:43 PM Wol wrote: > > And yes - the 8TB capacity gave it away - I think the largest "normal" > drives available are 4TB at present ... anything bigger must be shingled. > I have several non-SMR drives in the 8-12TB range, shucked from those WD external drives that occasion

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: External hard drive and idle activity

Mick wrote: > On Thursday, 2 January 2020 18:48:03 GMT Dale wrote: >> Ian Zimmerman wrote: >>> On 2020-01-01 18:09, Dale wrote: As some may recall, I have a 8TB external SATA hard drive that I do back ups on. Usually, I back up once a day, more often if needed. Usually I turn the pow

[gentoo-user] Dracut and how to specify names

Howdy, I'm trying to rebuild a kernel to include new options, see other thread.  I got the kernel built but dracut is giving me grief.  I hate that thing and when a previous way that worked no longer works, it doesn't help me like it any more.  Still, it is what it is even if I don't like it.  I r

Re: [gentoo-user] Dracut and how to specify names

On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 21:57:29 -0500, Dale wrote: > > Howdy, > > I'm trying to rebuild a kernel to include new options, see other > thread.  I got the kernel built but dracut is giving me grief.  I hate > that thing and when a previous way that worked no longer works, it > doesn't help me like it a

Re: [gentoo-user] Dracut and how to specify names

John Covici wrote: > On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 21:57:29 -0500, > Dale wrote: >> Howdy, >> >> I'm trying to rebuild a kernel to include new options, see other >> thread.  I got the kernel built but dracut is giving me grief.  I hate >> that thing and when a previous way that worked no longer works, it >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Dracut and how to specify names

On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 02:27:22 -0500, Dale wrote: > > John Covici wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jan 2020 21:57:29 -0500, > > Dale wrote: > >> Howdy, > >> > >> I'm trying to rebuild a kernel to include new options, see other > >> thread.  I got the kernel built but dracut is giving me grief.  I hate > >> tha