On Saturday 10 November 2007 01:42:04 am Daniel Barkalow wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote:
If you do not like my opinion, you should look at what Daniel Robbins
had to say, as I ran across a posting of his today, about this very
issue. An awesome collection of techies does not
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:31:21 +, Graham Murray wrote:
That is as long as the hardware has graphical capabilities. A text
(curses) based installer would also allow installation on systems with
serial consoles (like traditional *nix system). A well designed curses
application is just as easy
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:30:24 -0600
»Q« wrote:
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
something (or forgot to enter needed info) and went on to the next
screen, there was no way to go back and
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
something (or forgot to enter needed info) and went on to the next
screen, there
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»Q« wrote:
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed
Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
already amply catered for by other distros. I would never recommend
Gentoo to a new Linux user, in the same way that I wouldn't recommend
a Ferrari to a learner driver.
I don't necessarily agree. I've recommended Gentoo
Most of you can stop reading right now ;-)
I can see that people seem to like Gentoo for different reasons. Here's
what attracted me go Gentoo:
I'm not a Windows convert. I started using Linux before Windows really
made its mark. I remember when most people ran 1 or 2 Windows apps and
On Friday 09 November 2007, Dale wrote:
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:21:36 -0500, David Relson wrote:
Some efforts were also made with the command line installer. My
problem there was typing and overlooking details. If I mistyped
something (or forgot to enter needed info)
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007, James wrote:
If you do not like my opinion, you should look at what Daniel Robbins
had to say, as I ran across a posting of his today, about this very
issue. An awesome collection of techies does not gravitate users
to join the ranks of distro users. A (easy) graphical
Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first,
and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
already amply catered
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek first,
and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
already amply catered for by other distros. I would
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:24:49 + (UTC), James wrote:
All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an
easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source
code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
graphical installation, should
Neil Bothwick wrote:
All that would do is increase the number of disaffected users. You need
to read the documentation and use the command line to use Gentoo
effectively, hiding that behind a pretty pointy-clicky installer until
the system is installed and then hitting the user with the truth
Neil Bothwick neil at digimed.co.uk writes:
All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an
easy to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source
code based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
graphical installation, should only be
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/ says nothing about a November
release, or any release date for 2007.1, and that page should be
considered authoritative.
In my browser, it does say something about a November release of
2007.1. But it also says
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:45:44 + (UTC), James wrote:
At which point the new user is diving into the handbook partway
though, missing important information from the first part. There is
no point in using graphical installer if users still need to drop to
the command line to administer the
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 01:18:35 +
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the Gentoo
manual install is not exactly difficult, it just needs a wilingness to
read the docs.
A prerequisite that is well deserved. The question is whether there's
a place for another option. The present second
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 21:03 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote:
[snip]
Sorry to jump in late in the thread, but have you come across sabayon?
It seems to address some of your concerns...
http://www.sabayonlinux.org/
http://wiki.sabayonlinux.org/index.php
Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 13:05:18 +, Guanqun Lu wrote:
We can't expect that all the Gentoo users should be a linux geek
first, and then have a try on Gentoo linux sytem.
Why not? Gentoo is aimed at more experienced users, Linux novices are
already
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gentoo needs an easy to use, graphical installation CD, period. What I
would do is lower(simplify) the goals of what that installation CD
accomplishes. Once you get a drive prepared, kernel installed and the
basic tools installed (binary or compiled). At that
On Donnerstag, 8. November 2007, James wrote:
two things:
memory. Every mb wasted for X - or even worse gnome, the biggest memory hog
out there - is a mb that can't be used by gcc. Thus a graphical environment
slows down installation.
cd/dvd space. Every mb wasted for a full blown X and a
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 02:24 +, James wrote:
[...]
All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy
to use graphical install cannot be used if the distro is source code
based. Nothing could be further from the truth. An easy to use
graphical installation, should
Em Qui 08 Nov 2007, James escreveu:
Albert Hopkins marduk at letterboxes.org writes:
I chose Gentoo to get away from the major distros. There is plenty of
competition in that market. Let Gentoo be Gentoo and not Yet Another
Ubuntu [TM].
[...]
You, nor any respondent has given one shred
I'm going to take a lot of liberties both with humorous informality
(hopefully you'll agree with that name for it) and argument; please
accept it as a cheerfully submitted 'other side of the argument'.
On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 00:32:58 + (UTC)
James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Daniel Iliev
Albert Hopkins marduk at letterboxes.org writes:
I chose Gentoo to get away from the major distros. There is plenty of
competition in that market. Let Gentoo be Gentoo and not Yet Another
Ubuntu [TM].
All you have said presupposes one (erroneous) assumption: that is an easy
to use
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:22:30 -0600
Albert Hopkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
There are lots of distros (Linux and non-Linux) that either don't have a
graphical install and/or don't have a large user base and still survive.
I mean Slackware is probably the oldest living distro, is still
Well, I think that fixing that abortion of an installation CD
is of paramount concern. Like it or not, the first thing prospective
new users see, is the installation process. In my opinion, it
is of quintessential importance for Gentoo to have a normal,
functional, easy installation CD.
I
Daniel Iliev daniel.iliev at gmail.com writes:
I´m waiting for too.
Why?
In other words I don't need too many releases, but prefer the devs
spend their time for Gentoo on killing :) bugs and filling portage with
new software instead of taking snapshots and building CD/DVD images.
Well,
On Thu, 2007-11-08 at 00:32 +, James wrote:
Yes I've installed dozens of gentoo system, and the resulting
product is wonderful, much akin to a girl with a great personality.
However, she ain't every going to get 'laid' (become popular)
because the (installation) process is *UGLY*.
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