[gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Dale
Hi, I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. Oct 21 20:26:32 smoker smartd[5381]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 252 to 251 Oct 21 22:26:32 smoker smartd[5381]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Perfor

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Billy Holmes
Quoting Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. Oct 21 20:26:32 smoker smartd[5381]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 252 to 251 I had a harddrive on a server exhibit this behavior for about a year

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Montag, 19. November 2007, Dale wrote: AFAIK Pre-fail is not a problem. If the harddisk is close to failing you'll get something this in your logs: Nov 19 15:25:05 [smartd] Device: /dev/hda, FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP DATA NOW!_ Nov 19 15:25:05 [smartd] Device: /dev/hda, 785 Currently

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Dale
Billy Holmes wrote: > Quoting Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. >> Oct 21 20:26:32 smoker smartd[5381]: Device: /dev/hda, SMART Prefailure >> Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 252 to 251 > > I had a harddrive on a server exhibi

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Dale
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: > On Montag, 19. November 2007, Dale wrote: > > AFAIK Pre-fail is not a problem. If the harddisk is close to failing you'll > get something this in your logs: > > Nov 19 15:25:05 [smartd] Device: /dev/hda, FAILED SMART self-check. BACK UP > DATA NOW!_ > Nov 19 15:25:0

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Dan Farrell
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:52 -0600 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was looking around on Newegg for a new hard drive. I found a 250GB > that should work. You might consider getting a Seagate ES. Enterprise level seagate drives, although they cost maybe $30 USD more, are spec.'d to spin con

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:48:36 -0600, Dale wrote: > I found a drive to replace this one. I'll get it installed in a month > or so. I'll put useless stuff on this old one. Like Vista? ;-) -- Neil Bothwick I am Barry Norman of the Borg - you will be assimilated - and why not? signature.asc De

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-19 Thread Dale
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:48:36 -0600, Dale wrote: > > >> I found a drive to replace this one. I'll get it installed in a month >> or so. I'll put useless stuff on this old one. >> > > Like Vista? ;-) > > > NO ! There is no windoze allowed in this house. I ha

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread b.n.
Dale ha scritto: > Hi, > > I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. Thanks for your post! Thanks to you I just noticed that I never added smartd to my default profile... so I did yesterday. I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard disk. I frankly have troubles in unde

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: > Dale ha scritto: > >> Hi, >> >> I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. >> > > Thanks for your post! Thanks to you I just noticed that I never added > smartd to my default profile... so I did yesterday. > > I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
Dan Farrell wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:52 -0600 > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I was looking around on Newegg for a new hard drive. I found a 250GB >> that should work. >> > > You might consider getting a Seagate ES. Enterprise level seagate > drives, although they cost

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
Dan Farrell wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:52 -0600 > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> I was looking around on Newegg for a new hard drive. I found a 250GB >> that should work. >> > > You might consider getting a Seagate ES. Enterprise level seagate > drives, although they cost

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Florian Philipp
On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 03:51 -0600, Dale wrote: > b.n. wrote: > > Dale ha scritto: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. > > > > > > > Thanks for your post! Thanks to you I just noticed that I never added > > smartd to my default profile...

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
Florian Philipp wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 03:51 -0600, Dale wrote: > >> b.n. wrote: >> >>> Dale ha scritto: >>> >>> Hi, I noticed this in my log and wondered what others may think. >>> Thanks for your post! Thanks to you I just noticed

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Billy Holmes
Quoting "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard disk. I frankly have troubles in understanding the smartctl outputs (googled of course, but while I think the seek time metric is mostly informational and not really indicative of harddrive failure, my exper

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Farrell wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:52 -0600 > > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> I was looking around on Newegg for a new hard drive. I found a > >> 250GB that should work. > >> > > > > You mig

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Farrell wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:46:52 -0600 > > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> I was looking around on Newegg for a new hard drive. I found a > >> 250GB that should work. > >> > > > > You mig

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread b.n.
Billy Holmes ha scritto: > Quoting "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard disk. I frankly have >> troubles in understanding the smartctl outputs (googled of course, but > > while I think the seek time metric is mostly informational and not > really indic

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
Dan Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Ooops, I have IDE and the drive I just sent a email about is a SATA. >> It won't work anyway. Do they have IDE drives like this? >> > > Yeah, I'm sure they do. You could also buy a controller

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Thierry de Coulon
On Tuesday 20 November 2007, Dan Farrell wrote: > So my > opinion is that samsung and seagate seem to deliver (so far...), > maxtor/wd/others, it's a toss-up, and IBM==bad. Harddisks are build by the thousands, and I know of no industrial product that never has a unit go bad. I once had three F

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:09:38 -0600 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Farrell wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 > > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Ooops, I have IDE and the drive I just sent a email about is a > >> SATA. It won't work anyway. Do they have IDE drive

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:25:06 +0100 "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Billy Holmes ha scritto: > > Quoting "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > >> I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard disk. I frankly > >> have troubles in understanding the smartctl outputs (googled of > >> course, but >

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dale
Dan Farrell wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:09:38 -0600 > Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Dan Farrell wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 >>> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >> Hmmm, the last time I looked for a SATA controller it was expensive. >> I guess

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-20 Thread Dan Farrell
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:28:16 +0100 Florian Philipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, the best thing to do is to post any error messages you have > > here. I googled mine too but still was not sure what to make of the > > info I was getting. It sounded bad so I posted them here. There > > are

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread b.n.
Billy Holmes ha scritto: > Quoting "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> I found your exact same symptoms, on a SATA hard disk. I frankly have >> troubles in understanding the smartctl outputs (googled of course, but > > while I think the seek time metric is mostly informational and not > really indic

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread b.n.
Ok,I did a long test and this is the result. . voynich cyclopia # smartctl /dev/sda -l selftest smartctl version 5.37 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === SMART Self-test log structure revis

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread Dale
b.n. wrote: > Ok,I did a long test and this is the result. > . > voynich cyclopia # smartctl /dev/sda -l selftest > smartctl version 5.37 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen > Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART Se

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread b.n.
Dan Farrell ha scritto: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:25:06 +0100 > "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > it is; however if the partition is live the data could be messed up if > you read half of an overwritten file or something. in other words, it > works really well on partitions that aren't live, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread b.n.
Dale ha scritto: > b.n. wrote: >> Ok,I did a long test and this is the result. >> . >> voynich cyclopia # smartctl /dev/sda -l selftest >> smartctl version 5.37 [i686-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen >> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/ >> >> === START OF READ SMART D

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-21 Thread Dale
Dale wrote: > Dan Farrell wrote: >> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:09:38 -0600 >> Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> Dan Farrell wrote: >>> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 06:12:17 -0600 Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hmmm, the last time I looked for a SATA controller it

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread brullo nulla
> > But I was thinking: if my old drive is 200 Gb and my new drive is 320 > > Gb, what happens to the partition table? That is, the old partition > > table will refer to a 200 Gb disk, on a 320 Gb disk. What happens to the > > 120 Gb left? Are they recognized as an empty partition? Are they left >

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread Dan Farrell
On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:56:38 +0100 "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Farrell ha scritto: > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 23:25:06 +0100 > > "b.n." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > it is; however if the partition is live the data could be messed up > > if you read half of an overwritten file or somethi

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread Dan Farrell
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:14:57 +0100 "brullo nulla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But I was thinking: if my old drive is 200 Gb and my new drive is > > > 320 Gb, what happens to the partition table? That is, the old > > > partition table will refer to a 200 Gb disk, on a 320 Gb disk. > > > What h

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread Mick
On Thursday 22 November 2007, brullo nulla wrote: > > > But I was thinking: if my old drive is 200 Gb and my new drive is 320 > > > Gb, what happens to the partition table? That is, the old partition > > > table will refer to a 200 Gb disk, on a 320 Gb disk. What happens to > > > the 120 Gb left? A

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread b.n.
Mick ha scritto: > It's your call of course, but why don't you just boot from a LiveCD, mount > the > lot and tar the contents of the suspect disk to the new disk/partitions? The > size of the new disk and partitions can be anything you like, as long as they > are not smaller than the amount o

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:23:24 -0600, Dan Farrell wrote: > you could do that, but dd should be significantly faster, because it > reads directly from the platters without going through the filesystem. On the other hand, it copies every byte of the disk, whether in use or not. Unless you have a ve

Re: [gentoo-user] Is my hard drive sick?

2007-11-22 Thread Mick
On Thursday 22 November 2007, b.n. wrote: > Mick ha scritto: > > It's your call of course, but why don't you just boot from a LiveCD, > > mount the lot and tar the contents of the suspect disk to the new > > disk/partitions? The size of the new disk and partitions can be anything > > you like, as