[gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Jörg Schaible
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: >> >> Hello list, >> >> when I synced my portage tree today, I saw that kmail-4.4.0 needs >> >> kdel

[gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread walt
On 02/11/2010 01:35 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: It just seems silly that if you want to use the newest version of kate, kmail etc. > that semantic-desktop is forced upon you, when you're not interested in having the > entire DE. By the authority vested in me by My-Wife-the-Windows-User, I welco

[gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread walt
Zeerak Waseem wrote: > I just started a degree, to accomplish -something akin to- that ;-) Ah, good. Let me give you some free advice, well in advance. When it comes time to pick people for your thesis committee -- pick ones who love to argue. I think it may save you some pain later.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Roy Wright wrote: > >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 8:34 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> > On Mittwoch 10 Februar 2010, Christian Apeltauer wrote: > >> >> Hello list, > >> >> when I synced

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:25:31 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > I don't know what load it creates because I never even have any > negative impact. Yes, there is some nepomuk stuff sleeping in the > background and it has zero impact on my desktop behaviour. It's the Strigi indexer that can affec

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-10 Thread Stroller
On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: ... your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) and then proceed with the links. google-desktop is something completley different (and something that can be r

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Stroller wrote: > On 11 Feb 2010, at 00:01, Jörg Schaible wrote: > >> ... > >> your understanding is wrong. Completely wrong. Seriously it hurts. > >> > >> start here: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEPOMUK_(framework) > >> > >> and then proceed with the li

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Walter Dnes
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote > I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files > so that you can find them easier than typing a search term & clicking > on the correct result. You just don't want to try it because your > current methods are "g

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:17:07AM +, Stroller wrote > > > I cannot for a moment believe that you (Roy) can organise your files > > so that you can find them easier than typing a search term & clicking > > on the correct result. You just don'

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/11/2010 7:00 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: And if I really wanted a glitzy, bloated, slow-as-molasses, pointy-clicky-touchy-feely-oowee-GUI, I would've stayed with Windows, thank you. I started with Blckbox and am now on ICEWM. So, to summarize: * You don't like modern desktop environment desi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: > Well, in 4.3.x I eliminated it after the first try, because it took so many > resources of my machine, that I could not use it for something else. So, you > mean, in 4.4.x it takes only a 10% of the resources it took with 4.3.x? LOL, > althou

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use > find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody > else's desktop. Is this ignorance or FUD? It must be FUD because it has already been stated coun

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Roy Wright
On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > >> Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use >> find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down everybody >> else's desktop. > > Is this ignorance

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:55:23 +0100, Roy Wright wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:27 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: Yes, I can organize my files to the point where I rarely ever use find. Just because you can't, is not a reason to slow down eve

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-11 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 04:04:38 +0100, walt wrote: On 02/11/2010 01:35 PM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: It just seems silly that if you want to use the newest version of kate, kmail etc. > that semantic-desktop is forced upon you, when you're not interested in having the > entire DE. By the autho

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't > dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems > a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't understand. That just shows that they are still partial

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the DE. It just seems a bit backwards to me :-) I simply don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 12 February 2010 12:15:13 Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick > > wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't > >> dependent of the DE, to require a depend

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick > > wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't > >> dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Zeerak Waseem > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't > >> dependent of the DE, to require a dependency of the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:46:57 +0100, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Zeerak Waseem On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak Waseem wrote: >> But I do find it silly, that the various applications that aren't >> dependent

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread BRM
- Original Message > From: Zeerak Waseem > But then the question isn't whether there are a number of soft dependencies, > but > in the case of semantic-desktop whether -it- is a soft dependency. Like > previously stated, I don't use kmail, nor do I intend to (I at least think I > men

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann > > wrote: > > On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: > >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick > >> > >> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 05:19:43 +0100, Zeerak W

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Mike Edenfield
On 2/12/2010 10:14 AM, Zeerak Waseem wrote: But then the question isn't whether there are a number of soft dependencies, but in the case of semantic-desktop whether -it- is a soft dependency. Like previously stated, I don't use kmail, nor do I intend to (I at least think I mentioned it). This is

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-12 Thread Zeerak Waseem
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:51:01 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:22 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > On Freitag 12 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: >> On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 10:53:04 +0100, Neil Bothwick >> >>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > KDE apps use PHONON, so they don't have to deal with the underlying sound > system. > KDE apps use SOLID, so they don't need to care about hardware, hot plugin, > etc. > KDE apps use dbus so they can share code and easily communicate. One thing I never understood

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
BRM wrote: > It does not exist so that Kmail can index all the files on the > system but for the opposite - so that Kmail can participate in > the search by allowing the system to be able to search _its_ data. Just to let me get the point right: kmail provides some kind of search/date integratio

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > BRM wrote: > > It does not exist so that Kmail can index all the files on the > > system but for the opposite - so that Kmail can participate in > > the search by allowing the system to be able to search _its_ data. > > Just to let me get the poi

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > KDE apps use PHONON, so they don't have to deal with the underlying sound > > system. > > KDE apps use SOLID, so they don't need to care about hardware, hot > > plugin, etc. > > KDE apps use dbus so they can share c

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > Another service? Yes, a service that will be started only on-demand. > Great - but then shut up about dbus. Who the frak are you to tell me shut up ?! cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > phonon: because phonon is part of qt? And qt is more than > just a toolkit? What is it then ? An own OS ? ;-o cu -- -- Enrico Weigelt, metux IT service -- http://www.metux.de/ cellphone: +49 1

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > phonon: because phonon is part of qt? And qt is more than > > just a toolkit? > > What is it then ? An own OS ? ;-o are you insisting going down the stupid road?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has semantic-desktop really become compulsatory for kmail?

2010-02-14 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Sonntag 14 Februar 2010, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > > Another service? > > Yes, a service that will be started only on-demand. > so I have to wait for the service to start first? Sounds even crappier. > > Great - but then shut up about dbus. > > Who the frak are y