Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:04:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? * do you really have a problem with running

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 07:29:28AM -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 01:04:52PM +0100, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? *

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:29:59 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: I can't understand the *need* for the new slot/subslot philosophy. The need to it is clear. Previous methods worked by breaking things and then fixing them, hopefully before the breakage became a problem, whenever library APIs changed.

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-05 Thread Bruce Hill
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 09:28:05PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:29:59 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: I can't understand the *need* for the new slot/subslot philosophy. The need to it is clear. Previous methods worked by breaking things and then fixing them, hopefully before

[gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread hasufell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? * do you really have a problem with running revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every emerge? * do you think it's worth

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Philip Webb
131102 hasufell had some more questions for users : * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? Not recently : it used to happen more often. * do you really have a problem with running revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every emerge? No. * do you think it's worth the

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Alan McKinnon
On 02/11/2013 14:04, hasufell wrote: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? Let's see, that depends. It mostly mostly on what is happening with poppler and icu today. Other than those, I don't recall any long-term

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Daniel Campbell
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2013 07:04 AM, hasufell wrote: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? * do you really have a problem with running revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Dustin C. Hatch
On 11/2/2013 07:04, hasufell wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Another round of questioning the users here. These are good, thank you. Short answer here is no. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? At least one of my machines is constantly

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Daniel Frey
On 11/02/2013 05:04 AM, hasufell wrote: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? A few times a year. To put this in perspective, I try to do major updates (-uDN world) once a month. I used to do this weekly but can't now

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am 02.11.2013 13:04, schrieb hasufell: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? once every couple of updates? * do you really have a problem with running revdep-rebuild/haskell-updater/perl-cleaner etc after every

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread thegeezer
On 11/02/2013 12:04 PM, hasufell wrote: Another round of questioning the users here. more specifically: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? not enough to notice, mostly using server based installs not desktop * do you really have a problem with running

Re: [gentoo-user] do subslots improve user-experience?

2013-11-02 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 13:04:52 +0100, hasufell wrote: * how often do you experience useless rebuilds? That's an unreasonable question. How do we know whether a rebuild was useless or not unless we skip it and then find that a single feature of a complex program no longer works properly, and to do