Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Owen Smith
I don't do newsgroups, so for me that's actually worse than switching to a forum. I can join a web forum if I have to, but I currently have no means to read newsgroups nor do I have any interest in finding one. -- Owen Smith Cambridge, UK > On 16 May 2016, at 21:47, C E

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Shevek
On 16 May 2016 at 20:38, tellyaddict wrote: > I don't think that was quite what Dennis meant. Obviously a reply like you've > just done needs to be done in that way to make any sense. > > I was taught when I first started using this list that you were supposed to > post

RE: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Christopher Woods
(large volume of prior replies removed) I don't like change. ;) I like this list. I learn stuff on it. It's so easy to read and participate. List discipline just requires a modicum of self restraint, though we all like to indulge occasionally. This list for me is also somewhat of a spiritual

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Peter S Kirk
Top posting. Ready made OT chat group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rover800chat/ To subscribe to this group, send an email to: rover800chat-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To change settings via email: rover800chat-dig...@yahoogroups.com rover800chat-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com To

Re: Offtopic noise: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Nick Wood
Here, Here - the only off topic responses I object to are people moaning about OT mailings, usually those who don't seem to contribute much anyway. I find this list very educational especially the superb contributions from Vangelis whose input alone is worth keeping this list for. Nick Wood

Re: Is this list redundant?

2016-05-16 Thread Colin Law
On 16 May 2016 at 20:14, Jon Davies wrote: > On 16 May 2016 at 19:32, David Woodhouse wrote: >> Is there still a benefit to having this list at all? Would we be better >> off shutting it down entirely? > > while there's some rubbish on this list, there

Re: XML::Simple problem

2016-05-16 Thread John Reay
I could have sworn I installed XML::Simple...but when I checked it was not there. ;) BTW, I'm running Mint 17.3 64-bit Xfce On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Jon Davies wrote: > On 7 May 2016 at 01:19, John Reay wrote: >> Suddenly, today, I started

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Owen Smith
This is indeed the "modern" way to do replies, and email clients like my iPad make it very hard work to do anything else. But the argument against this is that someone seeing it fresh (eg. CC an extra recipient) has to read the entire email backwards (bottom to top) to get the context. 25

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 16/05/16 20:25, Shevek wrote: I guess you won't be reading these replies then, all of which have been nicely spaced out and responded to each of your points in turn, at the relevant point, instead of all in one go at the top where the reader then has to guess which reply was to which point.

Re: Is this list redundant?

2016-05-16 Thread michael norman
On 16/05/16 20:14, Jon Davies wrote: On 16 May 2016 at 19:32, David Woodhouse wrote: Is there still a benefit to having this list at all? Would we be better off shutting it down entirely? while there's some rubbish on this list, there are still valid support questions

Re: Is this list redundant?

2016-05-16 Thread SquarePenguin
On 16/05/2016 20:14, Jon Davies wrote: > (There's spam on the forums as well... and for me I find it > easier to filter out in email...) Many apologies for that. It is annoying I know. I'm trying different things to stop it but pretty much all are humans no doubt paid to post crap so they can get

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread tellyaddict
I don't think that was quite what Dennis meant. Obviously a reply like you've just done needs to be done in that way to make any sense. I was taught when I first started using this list that you were supposed to post new replies at the top of the email with the message you are replying to

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Paul Malpass
Apologies but I don't understand the semantics at play with the list but I've subscribed for a few years and find it immensely useful. An answer is always there when I need it so I thank all who maintain the code. Paul > On 16 May 2016, at 20:25, SquarePenguin

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread SquarePenguin
On 16/05/2016 20:14, Dennis Smith wrote: > Forum? What forum? Is that a web forum that doesn't email everything > to me? No thanks. We do actually have email subscription options for all threads on the forum[0], but only receive, not reply. I looked at implementing reply by email but it was a

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Shevek
On 16 May 2016 at 20:14, Dennis Smith wrote: > > Also could people make the posts more legible for current > mail applications and post replies at the top. sorry, but you are completely wrong here. top posting on a list like this makes for illegible replies > Other methods

Re: Offtopic noise: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread tellyaddict
I think there is still a benefit to having the list. I don't really mind the off topic stuff and if I don't want to read it then I won't. I have learned some interesting things from the stuff that gets posted here. I've learned stuff about Audio/Video Factory and composing commands etc that I

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Roger Bell_West
On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 07:32:44PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: >Is there still a benefit to having this list at all? Would we be better >off shutting it down entirely? I'd rather have the list, as a set of forums is just another place for me to forget to look at. Email can be filtered and

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread SquarePenguin
On 16/05/2016 19:32, David Woodhouse wrote: > Is there still a benefit to having this list at all? Would we be better > > off shutting it down entirely? I know that there are several people who can't/won't join/access the forums and rely on this list for announcements/assistance. No doubt those

Re: XML::Simple problem

2016-05-16 Thread Jon Davies
On 7 May 2016 at 01:19, John Reay wrote: > Suddenly, today, I started getting this error with every attempted > download. Does anyone have any ideas? > WARNING: Please download and run latest installer or install the > XML::Simple Perl module for more accurate programme

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Alan Milewczyk
On 16/05/16 19:32, David Woodhouse wrote: However... it seems that this list is mostly used these days for offtopic crap Hardly "mostly", just taking a snap sample from the first half of this month, if we ignore this thread, there have been about 40 posts and only 3 or 4 which I would class

Re: Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread Owen Smith
I don't follow the forums, and I don't use get_iplayer often. But when I do I'm moderately up to date with the current situation thanks to this list. If the list stopped I'd probably stop using get_iplayer and turn to other means for the occasional programme I want on iPlayer. -- Owen Smith

Offtopic noise: Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a...

2016-05-16 Thread David Woodhouse
On Sat, 2016-05-14 at 00:38 +0100, Peter S Kirk wrote: > > Stop the OT poltical campainging posts: > "Over 275,000 of us signed an emergency petition to keep the BBC > independent" > > List is for GiP discussion and help ONLY. > > Respect that and take politics elsewhere. I have barred that

Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a TV licence to watch to catch up with their favourite shows

2016-05-16 Thread Peter S Kirk
On 16 May 2016 at 16:01, Geoff Smith Geoff Smith wrote: > Do we not have a moderator who can put a stop to the verbal diarrhoea > of this off-topic thread? > At very least, will the perpetrators please take it off-group! > > Geoff Smith Here, here. Chris - list owner:

Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a TV licence to watch to catch up with their favourite shows

2016-05-16 Thread Jim web
In article

Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a TV licence to watch to catch up with their favourite shows

2016-05-16 Thread Geoff Smith
Do we not have a moderator who can put a stop to the verbal diarrhoea of this off-topic thread? At very least, will the perpetrators please take it off-group! Geoff Smith On 16/05/2016, C E Macfarlane wrote: > Please see below for further OT discussion, otherwise

RE: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a TV licence to watch to catch up with their favourite shows

2016-05-16 Thread C E Macfarlane
Please see below for further OT discussion, otherwise please ignore ... www.macfh.co.uk/CEMH.html > -Original Message- > From: get_iplayer [mailto:get_iplayer-boun...@lists.infradead.org]On > Behalf Of Jim web > Sent: 16 May 2016 13:53 > To:

Re: BBC iPlayer viewers now need a TV licence to watch to catch up with their favourite shows

2016-05-16 Thread Jim web
In article , C E Macfarlane wrote: > :-( The number of recent BBC changes that have broken or withdrawn > THEIR OWN services such as iPlayer even on comparatively recently > purchased consumer