Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Peff, On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 04:46:29PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:34:16PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > > > Rather than have a "hack day", I would

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 04:46:29PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:34:16PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > > > Rather than have a "hack day", I would actually prefer to work with > > > other contributors in a way

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Peff, On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:34:16PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > Rather than have a "hack day", I would actually prefer to work with > > other contributors in a way that we have not done before, but which I > > had the pleasure of "test

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Peff, On Wed, 29 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > > Having said that, I believe that we core contributors can learn to have a > > fruitful online meeting. With 30+ participants, too. > > > > Learning from my past life in

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Jonathan, On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Jonathan Nieder wrote: > [... talking about the IRC channel ...] > > My offer to +v anyone affected by the channel's current settings still > stands (just /msg me). Zero people have taken me up on this offer so > far. I did have problems seeing any private

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 12:49:55AM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > > > * Re the second half of "Not everyone can travel or can afford to do > >so" from Derrick, there's been travel sponsorships in past years. > > Just to make sure

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:34:16PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > - format > > > > For those who haven't attended before, it's basically 25-ish Git > > (and associated project) developers sitting in a room for a day > > chatting about the project. Topics go on a whiteboard

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 03:22:39PM +0200, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > Having said that, I believe that we core contributors can learn to have a > fruitful online meeting. With 30+ participants, too. > > Learning from my past life in academia (it is hard for me to imagine a > less disciplined

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Jonathan Nieder wrote: > The current IRC experience might be a bit unrepresentative, due to > https://freenode.net/news/spam-shake: https://freenode.net/news/spambot-attack may be a better link. Thanks, Jonathan

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Derrick, Derrick Stolee wrote: > A focused aside, since you brought up the online "standup": it seems the IRC > channel has been less than ideal, with people trying to participate but > having nickname issues or being muted. You also describe another issue: the > timing. Having a real-time

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Stolee, On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, Derrick Stolee wrote: > On 8/27/2018 9:22 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: > > Point in favor of the pure-online meeting: the informal standup on IRC > > every second Friday. I really try to attend it (it is a bit awkward > > because it is on a Friday evening in my

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi AEvar, On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > * Re the second half of "Not everyone can travel or can afford to do >so" from Derrick, there's been travel sponsorships in past years. Just to make sure that you understand: there are many more reasons than just travel costs

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

Hi Duy, On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Duy Nguyen wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 7:43 PM Derrick Stolee wrote: > > 2. Number of other commit tag-lines (Reviewed-By, Helped-By, > > Reported-By, etc.). > > > > Using git repo: > > > > $ git log --since=2018-01-01 junio/next|grep by:|grep -v > >

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

Hi Junio, On Tue, 14 Aug 2018, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Jeff King writes: > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 01:43:38PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: > > > >> On 8/13/2018 5:54 PM, Jeff King wrote: > >> > So I try not to think too hard on metrics, and just use them to get a > >> > rough view on who

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Peff, On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part > of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community > to help plan future installments. Any feedback or opinion is welcome, > but some obvious things to

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On 8/27/2018 9:22 AM, Johannes Schindelin wrote: Point in favor of the pure-online meeting: the informal standup on IRC every second Friday. I really try to attend it (it is a bit awkward because it is on a Friday evening in my timezone, right at the time when I want to unwind from the work

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Hi Peff & everybody, On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Jeff King wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:58:54PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: > > > I would be up for two meetings a year. I would expect that the variety of > > locations would allow a larger set of contributors to make at least one > > meeting a

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:42 PM Stefan Beller wrote: > Ævar specifically pointed out that we might want to hear from you and Duy > if you want to attend a conference and if so how we can make that happen > (by choosing location/time/setting appropriately) IIUC. Since my name shows up... I'm

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 7:43 PM Derrick Stolee wrote: > 2. Number of other commit tag-lines (Reviewed-By, Helped-By, > Reported-By, etc.). > > Using git repo: > > $ git log --since=2018-01-01 junio/next|grep by:|grep -v > Signed-off-by:|sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|head -n 20 > > 66

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

Jeff King wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:47:59PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > > With the advent of public inbox, this is easy to obtain? > > For our project, yes. But I was thinking of a tool that could be used > for other projects, too. Nothing prevents public-inbox from being adopted by

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Jeff King writes: > One problem there is that the prefixes are ambiguous (e.g., Jacob Keller > shares with me, and I think at least one other over the years). You > could look at the author of the tip commit, but that's not always right > (and in fact, counting just merged topics misses

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

Jeff King writes: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 01:43:38PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: > >> On 8/13/2018 5:54 PM, Jeff King wrote: >> > So I try not to think too hard on metrics, and just use them to get a >> > rough view on who is active. >> >> I've been very interested in measuring community

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:47:59PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:36 PM Jeff King wrote: > > > Thanks, it was nice to see a more comprehensive list in one spot. > > > > It would be neat to have a tool that presents all of these > > automatically, but I think the email

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:36 PM Jeff King wrote: > Thanks, it was nice to see a more comprehensive list in one spot. > > It would be neat to have a tool that presents all of these > automatically, but I think the email ones are pretty tricky (most people > don't have the whole list archive

Re: Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 01:43:38PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: > On 8/13/2018 5:54 PM, Jeff King wrote: > > So I try not to think too hard on metrics, and just use them to get a > > rough view on who is active. > > I've been very interested in measuring community involvement, with the >

Measuring Community Involvement (was Re: Contributor Summit planning)

On 8/13/2018 5:54 PM, Jeff King wrote: So I try not to think too hard on metrics, and just use them to get a rough view on who is active. I've been very interested in measuring community involvement, with the knowledge that any metric is flawed and we should not ever say "this metric is how

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 7:47 AM Jeff King wrote: > > One problem there is that the prefixes are ambiguous (e.g., Jacob Keller > shares with me, and I think at least one other over the years). You > could look at the author of the tip commit, but that's not always right > (and in fact, counting

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 04:30:09PM +0200, Duy Nguyen wrote: > > I frequently using "git shortlog -ns" to see who is active (especially > > coupled with "--since=". > > > > I also use "--no-merges", because it makes me look a lot better when > > compared relatively to Junio. :) > > --no-merges

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 06:31:50AM +0200, Christian Couder wrote: > > We have been kicking around the thought of reviving the GitTogethers > > like back in the olden days (I only know them from hearsay), in > > Mountain View or Sunnyvale at the Google Campus, but we have not yet > > spent enough

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 04:06:23PM +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I very much regret sending that 'git log' command without some further > explanation. > > It was only meant as a *very* rough shortlist of people in the context > of a discussion of why some active contributors don't come

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 11:06 PM Jeff King wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 01:41:51PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > > > > Oh, using "git shortlog" might be also simpler ;-) > > > > I guess you'd need to memorize a different set of flags for that > > as without -s it would be harder to parse

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 09:25:41AM -0400, Randall S. Becker wrote: > Unrelated directly to above, I noticed that I actually showed up on > the list for 2018 based on git log anyway. Does this mean I'd be > welcome? Personally, it's actually easier to get approval to travel to > Brussels now than

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Tue, Aug 14 2018, Randall S. Becker wrote: > On August 14, 2018 2:53 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM Jeff King wrote: >> > >> > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as >> > part of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions

RE: Contributor Summit planning

On August 14, 2018 2:53 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM Jeff King wrote: > > > > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as > > part of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the > > community to help plan future installments.

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM Jeff King wrote: > > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part > of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community > to help plan future installments. Any feedback or opinion is welcome, > but some obvious

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 7:46 PM, Stefan Beller wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:31 AM Jeff King wrote: >> >> For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part >> of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community >> to help plan future installments.

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 02:19:07PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > However the mailing list participation numbers there doesn't really > help me: > > ~/git-ml$ git shortlog --since 2017 -sne > 3721 Junio C Hamano > 2166 Stefan Beller > 2071 Jeff King > > and I certainly do not provide

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 2:06 PM Jeff King wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 01:41:51PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > > > > Oh, using "git shortlog" might be also simpler ;-) > > > > I guess you'd need to memorize a different set of flags for that > > as without -s it would be harder to parse

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 01:41:51PM -0700, Stefan Beller wrote: > > Oh, using "git shortlog" might be also simpler ;-) > > I guess you'd need to memorize a different set of flags for that > as without -s it would be harder to parse than the oneliner above. I frequently using "git shortlog -ns"

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 1:36 PM Junio C Hamano wrote: > > Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason writes: > > >Or would those companies be OK with trusting that some 20-ish of us > >can hold our tongues for one day and not ruin the surprise? > > > >There's also overlap with the remote A/V concerns

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason writes: >Or would those companies be OK with trusting that some 20-ish of us >can hold our tongues for one day and not ruin the surprise? > >There's also overlap with the remote A/V concerns there. I.e. an >acceptable compromise for those companies might

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 08:49:33PM +0200, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > * I think we should tread carefully when it comes to say some form of >remote A/V participation open to the Internet. > >It was fine to have Dscho on a chair, but it would be quite different >if this were say

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13 2018, Jeff King wrote: > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part > of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community > to help plan future installments. Any feedback or opinion is welcome, > but some obvious things to think

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 9:31 AM Jeff King wrote: > > For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part > of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community > to help plan future installments. Any feedback or opinion is welcome, > but some obvious things

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:58:54PM -0400, Derrick Stolee wrote: > I would be up for two meetings a year. I would expect that the variety of > locations would allow a larger set of contributors to make at least one > meeting a year. This may come at a cost of a smaller group in each summit. Yeah,

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On 8/13/2018 12:31 PM, Jeff King wrote: For the past several years, we've held a Git Contributor Summit as part of the Git Merge conference. I'd like to get opinions from the community to help plan future installments. Any feedback or opinion is welcome, but some obvious things to think about:

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Mar 05 2018, Jonathan Nieder jotted: > Lars Schneider wrote: >> - error reporting: Git is distributed and therefore lots of errors are only >> reported locally. That makes it hard for administrators in larger >> companies to see trouble. Would it make sense to add a config option

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Mon, Mar 05 2018, Lars Schneider jotted: >> On 03 Mar 2018, at 11:39, Jeff King wrote: >> >> On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote: >> >>> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are >>> expected to bring topics for group

Re: Contributor Summit planning

Lars Schneider wrote: > Thanks for starting this. I would like to propose the following topics: Cool! Do you mind starting threads for these so people who aren't there can provide input into the discussion, too? In other words, I'm imagining 1. Thread starts on mailing list 2. Contributor

Re: Contributor Summit planning

> On 03 Mar 2018, at 11:39, Jeff King wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote: > >> As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are >> expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are >> also welcome.

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On 03/03, Jeff King wrote: > On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote: > > > As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are > > expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are > > also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Sat, Mar 03 2018, Jeff King jotted: > Feel free to reply to this thread if you want to make plans or discuss > any proposed topics before the summit. Input or questions from > non-attendees is welcome here. 1) Last year we discussed the general topic of performance. That's of course very

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On 3/3/2018 5:39 AM, Jeff King wrote: On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote: As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in

Re: Contributor Summit planning

On Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 05:30:10AM -0500, Jeff King wrote: > As in past years, I plan to run it like an unconference. Attendees are > expected to bring topics for group discussion. Short presentations are > also welcome. We'll put the topics on a whiteboard in the morning, and > pick whichever