My problem was here:
nsteps = 10
which should read
nsteps = 1
I was under the assumption that the step numbers would correspond to the
number of calculated eigenvectors. All eigenvectors are calculated in step
1.
Thanks,
Bryan
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM, David van der Spoel
Hello,
I am running a normal mode analysis on a ~1500AA protein with the following
mdp parameters:
Log file opened on Tue Apr 9 09:55:00 2013
Host: uv1 pid: 128985 nodeid: 0 nnodes: 64
Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.1
Precision: double
Memory model: 64 bit
MPI library:
On 2013-04-11 17:57, Bryan Roessler wrote:
Hello,
I am running a normal mode analysis on a ~1500AA protein with the following
mdp parameters:
Log file opened on Tue Apr 9 09:55:00 2013
Host: uv1 pid: 128985 nodeid: 0 nnodes: 64
Gromacs version:VERSION 4.6.1
Precision: double
Dear GROMACS users,
I have done Normal Mode Analysis and have calculated partial charges and
the optimized geometry of a few compounds using high-level QM calculations.
Now I want to see (if possible) how well GROMACS can reproduce the normal
modes if I start from the same optimized geometry and
On 20/12/11, Thomas Evangelidis teva...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear GROMACS users,
I have done Normal Mode Analysis and have calculated partial charges and the
optimized geometry of a few compounds using high-level QM calculations. Now I
want to see (if possible) how well GROMACS can
Mark, thanks for the prompt response!
I have done Normal Mode Analysis and have calculated partial charges and
the optimized geometry of a few compounds using high-level QM calculations.
Now I want to see (if possible) how well GROMACS can reproduce the normal
modes if I start from the same
On 12/21/2011 12:57 AM, Thomas Evangelidis wrote:
Mark, thanks for the prompt response!
I have done Normal Mode Analysis and have calculated partial
charges and the optimized geometry of a few compounds using
high-level QM calculations. Now I want to see (if possible) how
well
Hi James,
PCA on a trajectory is about fluctuations -the correlation between
deviations from an average positions-, NMA is about penalized
displacement -the increase in potential energy due to concurrent
displacement-. In NMA the lowest mode is that for which most atoms can
move most
I've another question about NMA.
1- As I understood the Sparce matrix method is used on default in case when
my reference structure consist of alot of atoms. If this true the output
Hessian.mtx would be in sparce format, wouldn't it ?
2- How I can convert output.mtx to the txt format ? As the
On 10/11/2011 6:48 AM, James Starlight wrote:
I've another question about NMA.
1- As I understood the Sparce matrix method is used on default in case
when my reference structure consist of alot of atoms. If this true the
output Hessian.mtx would be in sparce format, wouldn't it ?
2- How I
Thank you, Mark.
By the way, also I have some question about data analysing
From g_anaeig I can obtain atom fluctuations along defined mode
1- Can I obtain same fluctuations along ensemble of several modes (i.e
averaged fluctuations along modes from n to k ) in one graph ?
2- Is there any
On 10/11/2011 5:36 PM, James Starlight wrote:
Thank you, Mark.
By the way, also I have some question about data analysing
From g_anaeig I can obtain atom fluctuations along defined mode
1- Can I obtain same fluctuations along ensemble of several modes (i.e
averaged fluctuations along
Mark hello,
2011/11/10 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
From your description, I think you're comparing apples with oranges.
I just want compare results of coarse grained NMA based on C-alpha only
with full atomic NMA.
I've already done that work and obtain that
1- overal picture of
Hi James,
1- Can I obtain same fluctuations along ensemble of several modes (i.e
averaged fluctuations along modes from n to k ) in one graph ?
The total fluctuation is the sum of the fluctuations along all the
modes. To get what you want, you just need to some the fluctuations.
Alternatively,
Hi Tsjerk,
Thanks for help. So as I understood if I want to calculate fluctuations
only for Calpha I must first to do NMA of my reference in some mode
subspace consisted of the eigenvectors for Calpha atoms only. Does this
correct ?
Previously I've done something like this for random subspace of
Mark, hello!
I think that there is some error durins saving of my minimization data
As the result of the minimization I've obtained
(1)
Low-Memory BFGS Minimizer converged to machine precision in 3723 steps,
but did not reach the requested Fmax 0.
Potential Energy = 2.08789280994511e+03
James Starlight wrote:
Mark, hello!
I think that there is some error durins saving of my minimization data
As the result of the minimization I've obtained
(1)
Low-Memory BFGS Minimizer converged to machine precision in 3723 steps,
but did not reach the requested Fmax 0.
Potential Energy =
That's energy ouptut from minimization with that parametries ( there is also
1 step of steep minimization before that )
integrator= l-bfgs
emtol= 0.001
emstep = 0.001 ; Energy step size
nsteps= 50 ; Maximum number of (minimization) steps
to perform
On 28/10/2011 2:30 AM, James Starlight wrote:
That's energy ouptut from minimization with that parametries ( there
is also 1 step of steep minimization before that )
integrator= l-bfgs
emtol= 0.001
emstep = 0.001 ; Energy step size
nsteps= 50 ;
I've found that in general ussage of cutt-offs beetwen 0.8-1.2 nm might
provide good results.
But now I have some problems with minimization of my initial structure
Firstly, I've performed steep minimization ( emtool=1000, emstep =
0.01 ) and than CG minimization (emtool=1, emstep =
On 26/10/2011 7:54 PM, James Starlight wrote:
I've found that in general ussage of cutt-offs beetwen 0.8-1.2 nm
might provide good results.
But now I have some problems with minimization of my initial structure
Firstly, I've performed steep minimization ( emtool=1000, emstep
= 0.01 )
Mark hello,
2011/10/26 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
We don't know the sense in which it didn't minimize properly, so there's
not much point us guessing.
The output value for Epot was -2.0 after steep minimization and -2.5 after
CG. Also as the consequense after both energy
On 26/10/2011 11:04 PM, James Starlight wrote:
Mark hello,
2011/10/26 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
We don't know the sense in which it didn't minimize properly, so
there's not much point us guessing.
The output value for Epot was -2.0 after
Mark,
2011/10/26 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
Or that your starting structure is not close enough to a sensible minimum
for a local gradient-based optimizer to do the job. Look at the atoms with
the large forces and see what you can learn.
So for that purpose I've done steep
James Starlight wrote:
Mark,
2011/10/26 Mark Abraham mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
mailto:mark.abra...@anu.edu.au
Or that your starting structure is not close enough to a sensible
minimum for a local gradient-based optimizer to do the job. Look at
the atoms with the large forces and
Hi James,
Regarding PCA and NMA congruency, they are different things, unless
the energy landscape consists of a single harmonic potential well. The
principal components and the normal modes will usually correlate quite
well, but if the simulation is sampling different energy minima, there
may be
Justin,
I've forced with the problem that I could not prorerly minimized my system
in the NMA conditions. Even in STEEP minimizaation I could not obtain Epot
value lower than +3.00 with that parametries ( I've used KALP peptide as a
test input )
; Parameters describing what to do, when to stop
James Starlight wrote:
Justin,
I've forced with the problem that I could not prorerly minimized my
system in the NMA conditions. Even in STEEP minimizaation I could not
obtain Epot value lower than +3.00 with that parametries ( I've used
KALP peptide as a test input )
The Epot value
I've used double precision. Today I'll copied output because it's done on
lab comp but from the output log I've found that minimization was not
completed ( e.g when I've calculate Normal Modes with that minimized
structure I've obtain message that my system was not minimized properly )
2011/10/26
As the consequence I've done my NMA calculations without of any constraints
:)
integrator= nm; Normal Mode Analysis
constraints = none
but I'm not sure if this could be valid because I didnt found any literature
of such NMA in Gromacs. Could someone provide me with the
On 24/10/2011 3:12 AM, James Starlight wrote:
I want to come back to the question of the NMA in the Gromacs :)
I've found in manual possible algorithms of this analysis- I must
calculate Hessian matrix via Md-run and then calculate modes with
g_nmens program
1- I've performed CG
On 24/10/2011 6:56 PM, James Starlight wrote:
As the consequence I've done my NMA calculations without of any
constraints :)
integrator= nm; Normal Mode Analysis
constraints = none
but I'm not sure if this could be valid because I didnt found any
literature of such NMA
I understand this but I've not been able found such information. I dont need
in the most accurately parametries for all cutt-offs of my system but I
want to gain inside into the basic cutt- offs worked with the Normal mode
analysis.
E.g I've found that PME is not worked here. So I must to
On 25/10/2011 3:30 AM, James Starlight wrote:
I understand this but I've not been able found such information. I
dont need in the most accurately parametries for all cutt-offs of my
system but I want to gain inside into the basic cutt- offs worked with
the Normal mode analysis.
The cut-offs
I want to come back to the question of the NMA in the Gromacs :)
I've found in manual possible algorithms of this analysis- I must calculate
Hessian matrix via Md-run and then calculate modes with g_nmens program
1- I've performed CG minimization of my initianl structure
2- I've loadet to the
Thanks
It's works fine but I'venot find significant increasing in the simulation
speed :)
but I'd also to test MPI. Could you tell me what exactly ( MPI or threading)
might provide better productivity in case of big heterogenious system ( e.g
protein in membrane )?
James
2011/10/15 lina
On 16/10/2011 4:31 AM, James Starlight wrote:
Thanks
It's works fine but I'venot find significant increasing in the
simulation speed :)
If you've configured with threads, then executing mdrun will spawn as
many threads as you have physical cores. This will speed up the
calculation so long
Dear Gromacs users!
I have couple of questions about some Gromacs features.
1- I'm looking for tutorial where I could find clear example of force fied
based Normal Mode Analysis via Gromacs
E.g on first step I would like to prepare structure of my protein in
pereodic boundary conditions and
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 2:58 AM, James Starlight jmsstarli...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Gromacs users!
I have couple of questions about some Gromacs features.
1- I'm looking for tutorial where I could find clear example of force fied
based Normal Mode Analysis via Gromacs
E.g on first step I
Hi ALL,
This may sound like a very basic question, but I am still pondering over it.
I have simulated a membrane protein system for 30 ns after Steepest Descent
minimization and now I want to perform NMA. From the help pages what I
understand is that I need a very well minimized system (using
Hi ALL,
This may sound like a very basic question, but I am still pondering over it.
I have simulated a membrane protein system for 30 ns after Steepest Descent
minimization and now I want to perform NMA. From the help pages what I
understand is that I need a very well minimized system (using
Hi,
NMA is not MD - for one thing you don't run an NMA simulation for a
certain time. I suggest you read about NMA and make sure you understand
what the method does and what it can achieve before continuing. There is
some data on the manual, a lot of data on the web and even more in
books. When
Ajit Datta wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am trying to do normal mode analysis for a protein using Gromacs.
Can anyone point me out towards a sample mdp file that I could edit for this
purpose?
There are some general pointers here:
Aside from that, search the literature; published papers should have
reproducible methodology :)
And.., methodology in published papers has proven to be publishable.
:)
Tsjerk
--
Tsjerk A. Wassenaar, Ph.D.
Computational Chemist
Medicinal Chemist
Neuropharmacologist
--
gmx-users mailing
Hello everyone,
I am trying to do normal mode analysis for a protein using Gromacs.
Can anyone point me out towards a sample mdp file that I could edit for this
purpose?
Thanks
Ajit B.
--
gmx-users mailing listgmx-users@gromacs.org
Hi Gromacs User's,
In the normal mode analysis if I get the first 6 eigenfrequency zero
then I can think that the the protein is properly energy minimized.
Thank you
Abhijit
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gmx-users
Hi,
I encountered the following remarks during normal mode analysis of pure
water. Can someone please suggest a solution.
mdrun_d -v -s water.tpr -o traj.trr -c confout.gro -e ener.edr -g md.log
-mtx nm.mtx
Getting Loaded...
Reading file water.tpr, VERSION 4.0.4 (double precision)
Loaded with
simon sangma wrote:
Hi,
I encountered the following remarks during normal mode analysis of
pure water. Can someone please suggest a solution.
You've been told twice already what the likely solution is:
snip
Maximum force: 2.74758e+03
Maximum force probably not small enough to ensure
Hi Justin,
I tried altering the .mdp file (integrator = steep
instead of nm) for energy minimization. But in that case the mdrun did not
generate the Hessian matrix (nm.mtx) inspite of using the command twice.
___
gmx-users
simon sangma wrote:
Hi Justin,
I tried altering the .mdp file (integrator =
steep instead of nm) for energy minimization. But in that case the
mdrun did not generate the Hessian matrix (nm.mtx) inspite of using the
command twice.
Energy minimization is not the
:43 +0530
From: simoniitc...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] Normal mode analysis of pure water
Hi,
I encountered the following remarks during normal mode analysis of pure
water. Can someone please suggest a solution.
mdrun_d -v -s water.tpr -o traj.trr -c confout.gro
Hi Berk,
You mentioned that standard NMA techniques will not work for
the liquid water system. Could you suggest the alternatives then?
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http://lists.gromacs.org/mailman/listinfo/gmx-users
2009 19:20:19 +0530
From: simoniitc...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] Normal mode analysis of pure water
Hi Berk,
You mentioned that standard NMA techniques will not work for the
liquid water system. Could you suggest the alternatives
Hi Justin,
Are you suggesting that after thorough energy minimization,
seperate .mdp file is to be used for NMA? In that case how would that output
file (energy minimised file) be taken as an input file for the grompp and
mdrun command (for NMA)? What extension would the file have
simon sangma wrote:
Hi Justin,
Are you suggesting that after thorough energy
minimization, seperate .mdp file is to be used for NMA? In that case how
would that output file (energy minimised file) be taken as an input file
for the grompp and mdrun command (for NMA)? What
Hi,
If I going to perform normal mode analysis of a protien molecule
what are the changes have to be done in .mdp files
Abhijit
Kayal
IIT Delhi
abhijit kayal wrote:
Hi,
If I going to perform normal mode analysis of a protien
molecule what are the changes have to be done in .mdp files
That's what the manual is for, as well as pertinent literature and textbooks
describing the protocols.
-Justin
Abhijit Kayal
Hi!
I am a user of gromacs. Could someone provide me with a method (or set
of commands) for normal mode analysis of small molecules (water, n-butane,
etc). Also could you please provide a command for generating Hessian Matrix
after the energy minimization.
simon sangma wrote:
Hi!
I am a user of gromacs. Could someone provide me with a method (or set
of commands) for normal mode analysis of small molecules (water, n-butane,
etc). Also could you please provide a command for generating Hessian Matrix
after the energy minimization.
You should
, if required.
Berk
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Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:47:52 +0200
Subject: Re: [gmx-users] Normal Mode Analysis
From: f.hoffga...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Hi
thanks for your reply. I tried patching as you described it, but I got the
error message:
patch
Hi,
I'm quite a new user of gromacs. I want to do an all-atom normal mode
analysis of a small protein in water. As a result I would like to have the
hessian matrix in a readable format, that I can use for further
computations.
As I have read in the manuals/tutorials/mailing-lists I minimized the
Hi,
Try renaming it with the extension .trr iso .trj.
Berk
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:32 +0200
From: f.hoffga...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] Normal Mode Analysis
Hi,
I'm quite a new user of gromacs. I want to do an all-atom normal mode analysis
of a small
.
Berk
--
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:53:32 +0200
From: f.hoffga...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Subject: [gmx-users] Normal Mode Analysis
Hi,
I'm quite a new user of gromacs. I want to do an all-atom normal mode
analysis of a small protein in water
Hi,
I just saw that 4.0 uses a new mtx format which can also efficiently store
sparse matrices.
Please try if my modified gmxdump for 4.0.5 works?
Store the data below in a file called fix and then do:
patch gmxdump.c fix
Berk
61a62,63
#include
Hi
thanks for your reply. I tried patching as you described it, but I got the
error message:
patch: `' expected at line 18 of patch
Franzi
---
Franziska Hoffgaard
PhD Student
Bioinformatics Theo. Biology Group
TU Darmstadt
2009/5/26 Berk Hess g...@hotmail.com
Hi,
I just saw that
-users] Normal Mode Analysis
From: f.hoffga...@gmail.com
To: gmx-users@gromacs.org
Hi
thanks for your reply. I tried patching as you described it, but I got the
error message:
patch: `' expected at line 18 of patch
Franzi
---
Franziska Hoffgaard
PhD Student
Bioinformatics Theo. Biology
Hi All,
I am doing normal mode analysis. After getting the eigen frequencies,
is there a way we can visualize the vibrational modes in gromacs. And even how
to know which frequency corresponds to which mode of vibration. I saw that IED
is used to visualize normal modes by integrating
Inon Sharony wrote:
This is exactly the point - I get only three significant digits.
Although I performed the entire procedure in double-precision. The
convergence to 5E-4 DID occur in single-precision, I just thought it
wasn't good enough (the program recommends 1E-5 and when
Dear Ran,
I'm still unsure of why I sometimes can get double-precision output
and sometimes not. I can't find what I'm doing differently in each
case, however I now know what to look for in order to be sure that I'm
getting what I need. Obviously, the need for double-precision stems
only
This is exactly the point - I get only three significant digits.
Although I performed the entire procedure in double-precision. The
convergence to 5E-4 DID occur in single-precision, I just thought it
wasn't good enough (the program recommends 1E-5 and when
double-precision works for me I
Inon Sharony wrote:
Dear Ran,
I'm still unsure of why I sometimes can get double-precision output
and sometimes not. I can't find what I'm doing differently in each
case, however I now know what to look for in order to be sure that I'm
getting what I need. Obviously, the need for
Quoting Ran Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Inon Sharony wrote:
Dear Ran,
I'm still unsure of why I sometimes can get double-precision
output
and sometimes not. I can't find what I'm doing differently in each
case, however I now know what to look for in order to be sure that
I'm
getting what
How do I get a *.gro file in double-precision, then? The
configurations given by the PRODRG server are in 0.000 format, and
still I've at least once managed to get double-precision calculations
out of them (right now I'm working on a file for a Pentane molecule,
originally downloaded from
The *.gro file always has 3 significant digits, but the *.tpr file
sometimes has the coordinates with 5 significant digits and sometimes
the last two of those are zero.
Quoting Ran Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How do I get a *.gro file in double-precision, then? The
configurations given
You can also try:
gmxdump -f em.trr | grep precision
Inon Sharony wrote:
The *.gro file always has 3 significant digits, but the *.tpr file
sometimes has the coordinates with 5 significant digits and sometimes
the last two of those are zero.
Quoting Ran Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How
I now performed:
make distclean
./configure --disable-float
make
make install
make links
All executed without problems. Now I no longer have segmentation
faults (thanks David!), however the energy minimization still does not
achieve 1E-05 kJ / mole nm convergence (only as good as ~5E-04
Hi all!
I'm trying to perform a normal mode (NM) analysis, but having trouble with the
recommendation of first performing a double precision energy
minimization before writing
the Hessian. The calculation of the Hessian matrix is done using
mdrun, and its
diagonalization is done using
Hi,
It's hard to know why you get a segmentation fault without further info.
Did you ran the GMX tests after installation with double precision? Is
everything all right there?
Also, when exactly the system crashes? Is it straight when you start
mdrun? Did you use both grompp and mdrun in double
Hi Ran.
I looked up your suggestions, and got the following:
0. The parameters in the *.tpr file appear in 0.e+00
format. How can I tell if this is a float or double? Also, I could not
see if the position coordinates of the molecule appear in the *.tpr
file (and if so, if they
Inon Sharony wrote:
Hi Ran.
I looked up your suggestions, and got the following:
0. The parameters in the *.tpr file appear in 0.e+00
format. How can I tell if this is a float or double? Also, I could not
see if the position coordinates of the molecule appear in the *.tpr
file
Ran Friedman wrote:
Inon Sharony wrote:
Hi Ran.
I looked up your suggestions, and got the following:
0. The parameters in the *.tpr file appear in 0.e+00
format. How can I tell if this is a float or double? Also, I could not
see if the position coordinates of the molecule
Hi,
On Friday, 21. December 2007 12:48, Robert Fenwick wrote:
Hi,
I am interested in comparing the normal modes of a protein with and
without a ligand. I have already computed the lowest 100 normal modes
for the protein (eigenvec_a.trr) and the protein:ligand complex and
have reduced the
Robert Fenwick wrote:
Hi,
I am interested in comparing the normal modes of a protein with and
without a ligand. I have already computed the lowest 100 normal modes
for the protein (eigenvec_a.trr) and the protein:ligand complex and have
reduced the protein:ligand eigenvec_b.trr to the
Hi,
I am interested in comparing the normal modes of a protein with and
without a ligand. I have already computed the lowest 100 normal modes
for the protein (eigenvec_a.trr) and the protein:ligand complex and
have reduced the protein:ligand eigenvec_b.trr to the protein by
issuing;
Hi,
First, it's just a warning that the force _might_ not be small enough
since there's no bullet-proof way to say.
In general, both for final-stage energy minimization (with L-BFGS)
and actual normal mode analysis you can use a setup with
double precision
switched coulomb vdw
Hi,
I want to carry out normal mode analysis on a large protein (about 10,000
atoms) without using coarse grain approximations. Amber is out of the
question since it can only handle about 5,000 atoms for NMA. I am wondering
if GROMACS can deal with this assuming running on a 64-bit machine with
Hi,
On Jun 19, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Liwei Li wrote:
I want to carry out normal mode analysis on a large protein (about
10,000 atoms) without using coarse grain approximations. Amber is
out of the question since it can only handle about 5,000 atoms for
NMA. I am wondering if GROMACS can deal
It seems like reference #34 in the GMX 3.3 manual should be:
Levitt, M., Sander, C. and Stern PS. The normal modes of a protein: native
bovine pancreatic trypsin inhibitor. Internatl. J. Quant.Chem., Quantum Biology
Symposium 10, 181-199. 1983
And not as written.
Ran.
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Ran Friedman wrote:
It seems like reference #34 in the GMX 3.3 manual should be:
Levitt, M., Sander, C. and Stern PS. The normal modes of a protein: native
bovine pancreatic trypsin inhibitor. Internatl. J. Quant.Chem., Quantum
Biology
Symposium 10, 181-199. 1983
And not as written.
Ran.
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