Does MS include this in the TCO for their software?

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
Hello all, We've all heard the arguments from Microsoft that their products (Windows, Exchange, Office, et. al.) have a lower TCO (Total Cost of Ownership) then Free Software like Linux. Well, I wonder if they include *this* http://www.pilotonline.com/business/bz1104mic.html in

NUN Installfest

2000-11-06 Thread Jerry Kubeck
Good morning to all GNHLUGGER's Here's a report on the NUN and Installfest at Keene State College last week. The turnout was much smaller than last year for the NUN, even with VALinux giving away another computer. We had a total of 40 people, not including the presenters. It was a success as

Re: SCSI Tape Backup

2000-11-06 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 14:07:07 EST mike ledoux said: 'mt' allows you to give control commands to a magnetic tape device. The most common commands are 'mt rewind', 'mt offline', and 'mt erase'. 'mt rewind' and 'mt erase' do exactly what you'd expect. 'mt offline' rewinds and, if

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Paul Lussier
The following was sent to me last week "offline". I've responded here publicly because I think there are some good observations here that you all might find interesting. My intent was not to insult anyone within the group in the places I mentioned names, so please forgive me I if I did so

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International
Paul, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'd also like to point out, that though this in general, has been a great discussion with some good ideas about meetings, and what could be done better, not one person has come through with a single idea for a meeting topic they'd be interested in. This is

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Bruce Dawson
I don't know about everyone else, but I seem to remember proposing about 1/2 dozen topics most of the time. I never knew why they weren't carried forth - whether a speaker couldn't be found, people just ignore me, people forgot what was proposed, or whatever. Perhaps these conversations should

Re: SCSI Tape Backup

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, mike ledoux wrote: I've taken the liberty of crossposting this to the main GNHLUG discussion list, as there may be others who are interested in this. Most likely. Backups are usually the most neglected thing in a system. :-) I have a SCSI 20/40 DDS4 Seagate tape

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Jeffry Smith
OK, I can give you some help, in three forms: 1. What _I_ would like to hear: exmh beowulf clustering Kernel internals / hacking Businesses using linux - why, experience, what they look for Debian - from the inside (i.e. someone from Debian talking about why it was set up, how it runs, what

Re: SCSI Tape Backup

2000-11-06 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: There are also commercial programs which support Linux... ARCServe shiver -- Derek Martin Senior System Administrator Mission Critical Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this

Debian flamewar

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: Debian - from the inside (i.e. someone from Debian talking about why it was set up, how it runs, what problems they have, etc) Debian runs? ;-) Okay, despite the subject line, my goal here is not actually to start a flamewar. Or, at least, that's

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Well, I don't believe that anyone comes to our meeting for the door prizes and the freebies. I seem to recall the raffle system came about due to lack of a better way to distribute all the junk^H^H^H^H^H generous donations various companies and

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Derek Martin
Today, Benjamin Scott gleaned this insight: If anyone is willing to get together with me to plan some sort of presentation on this topic, please take up the discussion on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] "GNHLUG Organization" list. I have set the "Reply-To" header appropriately. I'd like to again

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Bruce Dawson wrote: I don't know about everyone else, but I seem to remember proposing about 1/2 dozen topics most of the time. Well, propose them again. Maybe this time, something will happen. :-) I never knew why they weren't carried forth - whether ... people just

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Derek Martin
Today, Jeffry Smith gleaned this insight: 1. What _I_ would like to hear: Kernel internals / hacking Me too, though I'm not really sure what form I'd like this discussion to take. I don't know enough about hacking the kernel to know I guess. The good news is I know of a place that has a

What do you want to hear about? (was: What do *YOU* think of theLUG meetings?)

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International wrote: O.K. FOLKS: IT IS UP TO YOU. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT? The maddog has spoken. ;-) One topic I'd like to hear about (assuming this isn't one of the ones I missed -- I always seem to be busy

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Jerry Feldman
I have been running user group meetings for the past 15 years, and I have learned that the members generally do not provide a lot of good suggestions. I can't tell you how many times we have tried to get our users to tell us what they want to hear. We get a few good suggestions. I've also

Re: What do *YOU* think of the LUG meetings? (was: Is this us?)

2000-11-06 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote (edited for content): 1. What _I_ would like to hear: Businesses using linux Converting NT to Linux I think I could contribute something to this/these topic(s). Here at NTI, we're specializing in grass roots world

Re: Debian flamewar

2000-11-06 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott wrote: On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: Debian - from the inside (i.e. someone from Debian talking about why it was set up, how it runs, what problems they have, etc) Debian runs? ;-) Okay, despite the subject line, my goal here is not actually to start a

Re: SCSI Tape Backup

2000-11-06 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Derek Martin wrote: There are also commercial programs which support Linux... ARCServe shiver Hey, I didn't say I was *endorsing* any of these commercial programs. :-) Personally, I rate ARCserve somewhere slightly below "Maggot Puke" on my list of things I like to