Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Hartnett
Can anyone recommend a comm program, basically the equal of "Hyperterminal"? Also, when I've played with various Unix and Unix like flavors in the past, you could have a console window open so that you could see if the system was putting out any system messages, does Linux have this? If so I

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Jerry Feldman
There is seyon and minicom. Both work well and have been around for years. There is also the old cu utility. I don't know where you would find them on the Red Hat distro, but they are supplied with SuSE. "Hartnett" wrote: Can anyone recommend a comm program, basically the equal of

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 07:04:40 EST Jerry Feldman said: There is seyon and minicom. Both work well and have been around for years. There is also the old cu utility. I don't know where you would find them on the Red Hat distro, but they are supplied with SuSE. Seyon ROCKS It

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Chad R. Henry
To quote Sharky Extreme: "All previous Athlons came with 128K of L1 cache and 512K of external back cache running at half the speed or even less (the Pluto ratio) of the processor's core. The L2 cache has been halved from 512K down to 256K, thus "Thunderbird"-based Athlons come with a total

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Chad R. Henry wrote: ... AMD's 1GHz Athlon can now go toe-to-toe with Intel's 1GHz Pentium III. Or, it would, if you could actually find some working Pentium III 1 GHz chips to test it against. :-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc.

Political humor

2000-11-14 Thread Bayard Coolidge USG ZKO3-3/S20
I'm sure most of us are chafing with the cliff-hanger election results, etc., but today's User Friendly cartoon is quite cute... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20001114 Bayard ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Peter Cavender
All, Does anyone know what the difference between the Athlon and the Athlon "Thunderbird" chips are? I can't seem to find this info on AMD's site. I believe that the Duron is the Athlon with smaller cache, but what is the T-Bird? TIA, Kenny As Chad explained, the cache is the difference. On

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Ken Ambrose
Well... yes, but I'm *dying* to get my hands on a dual-processor Thunderbird motherboard; does anyone know if/when the SMP chipset is actually going to go into production? I know they've demo'd it, so it's not entirely vaporware, but I don't consider it "real" until I can by it. (And even then,

Re: Boot Fails.

2000-11-14 Thread Peter Cavender
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000, Jerry Feldman wrote: I use SuSE which mounts root as read-only on boot. Which is fine for those using SuSE. I would prefer it if Red Hat friends did it that way, too. But they don't. I wanted to make sure people understood that. The result of fsck'ing a live

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: For some reason RH stopped shipping Seyon after RH5.0 or 5.2, I don't remember. A licensing issue was discovered that conflicted with Red Hat's Open Source policy. The author prohibits distribution of modified sources. Supposedly, the Debian

Re: Boot Fails.

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Peter Cavender wrote: I use SuSE which mounts root as read-only on boot. Which is fine for those using SuSE. I would prefer it if Red Hat friends did it that way, too. RedHat *does* start with root only mounted R/O. in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, you can see where it

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Hartnett wrote: Also, when I've played with various Unix and Unix like flavors in the past, you could have a console window open so that you could see if the system was putting out any system messages, does Linux have this? If so I can't find it. xconsole -- Ben

Re: Boot Fails.

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Peter Cavender sassed: RedHat *does* start with root only mounted R/O. in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, you can see where it mounts it R/W later on. I have made systems that leave root R/O by removing this line. Sure, but Ben's point was that when you boot into single user mode,by

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Chad R. Henry sassed: In other words, just say no to Athlon Classic. The Thunderbird rocks! So the next question is, any word on when we'll be seeing dual thunderbird motherboards? -- We sometimes catch a window, a glimpse of what's beyond Was it just imagination stringing us

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Bill Freeman
And there are those of us who really like kermit. Sadly, Columbia's licensing scheme makes it a pain to get, even though it is free and open source, since it can't be included in the typical distribution, but you can download it from columbia (kermit.columbia.edu, I think). I've been

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Benjamin Scott sassed: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Hartnett wrote: Also, when I've played with various Unix and Unix like flavors in the past, you could have a console window open so that you could see if the system was putting out any system messages, does Linux have this? If so I

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Stephen Ryan
On 14 Nov, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: For some reason RH stopped shipping Seyon after RH5.0 or 5.2, I don't remember. A licensing issue was discovered that conflicted with Red Hat's Open Source policy. The author prohibits distribution of modified

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Derek D. Martin wrote: xterm -C [...] By default, it appears to be broken (at least it is on my laptop), so you'll need to fix it. Could you maybe tell us what was broken about it, and what you did to fix it? The distro you are using would be nice, too. :-) -- Ben

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 13:27:38 EST Benjamin Scott said: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Hartnett wrote: Also, when I've played with various Unix and Unix like flavors in the past, you could have a console window open so that you could see if the system was putting out any system messages,

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Stephen Ryan wrote: Huhwhat? Seyon is GPL, and has been for a year and a half. Well, every source package I could find for it said explicitly otherwise. From the 'copyright' file included in Debian's seyon package (verbatim, including typos): Ummm... that's

Re: AMD Processors

2000-11-14 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
"Derek D. Martin" wrote: So the next question is, any word on when we'll be seeing dual thunderbird motherboards? AMD is claiming that the Dual Proc will be released by the end of Q1 2001. We'll see.. Kenny PS I still want one *NOW*! -- Kenny Lussier Systems Administrator Mission

Re: Debian comments

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's one of the really nice things about RPM. You can grab the SRPM and unpack it in one easy motion. You can then examine the spec file to see what ... This is one of the things where RPM seems to fall short. I can "install" a source

RPM and shared storage (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Derek Martin wrote: One of the things I love about Red Hat Linux over Microsoft Windows is how *easy* it is to install a new package. "rpm -i foo" and *I'M DONE*. On the other hand, this method isn't all that flexible. If you're installing something to be shared, for

Re: Debian comments

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:28:42 EST Benjamin Scott said: I disagree with all these design decisions: Query? You've got the spec file, which you are presumably interested in, since you're mucking around with the sources. What are you going to query? Maybe I want to know what

Re: RPM and shared storage (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:38:30 EST Benjamin Scott said: On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Derek Martin wrote: One of the things I love about Red Hat Linux over Microsoft Windows is how *easy* it is to install a new package. "rpm -i foo" and *I'M DONE*. On the other hand, this method

Re: Comm program and console

2000-11-14 Thread Stephen Ryan
On 14 Nov, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Stephen Ryan wrote: Huhwhat? Seyon is GPL, and has been for a year and a half. Well, every source package I could find for it said explicitly otherwise. Part of the copyright file I quoted actually has the older license in it, which

Linux Hacker Ethnography

2000-11-14 Thread Casioqv
Hello, This is Tyler Backman from PLUG (Portland Linux Users Group). I am doing a Ethnography on Linux hackers for my WR-121 class at CCC. If you have the time could you please answer some (or all) of my questions to help me out? Rules/suggestions: 1. You don't have to answer all the questions if

Managing source packages (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: I disagree with all these design decisions: I did say they were not necessarily The Right Thing. Maybe I want to know what version of the source package I have *quickly* without cd'ing down some who know's where looking for the version number.

Re: RPM and shared storage (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:54:04 EST Benjamin Scott said: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Why would I want to NFS mount my /usr partition? A cluster full of diskless workstations comes to mind... I believe the Linux File System Standard actually specifies that /usr

Re: Managing source packages (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:03:05 EST Benjamin Scott said: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: I disagree with all these design decisions: I did say they were not necessarily The Right Thing. I know :) Interestingly, most of your objections apply on a per-user basis (at

Re: RPM and shared storage (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Benjamin Scott sassed: On Fri, 10 Nov 2000, Derek Martin wrote: One of the things I love about Red Hat Linux over Microsoft Windows is how *easy* it is to install a new package. "rpm -i foo" and *I'M DONE*. On the other hand, this method isn't all that flexible. If you're

Fwd: Linux Hacker Ethnography

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
SPAM ALERT! I dunno, this may be legit, but it doesn't sound like it to me... it appears to have originated from a dialup AOL account. From the headers: Received: from usermail.com (AC81E288.ipt.aol.com [172.129.226.136]) by tot-we.proxy.aol.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id

Re: RPM and shared storage (was: Debian comments)

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Benjamin Scott sassed: On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Why would I want to NFS mount my /usr partition? A cluster full of diskless workstations comes to mind... Which is great if that's what you have, but no one buys diskless workstations anymore. The cost savings

Re: Debian comments

2000-11-14 Thread Derek D. Martin
That frood Paul Lussier sassed: In a message dated: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:28:42 EST Benjamin Scott said: I disagree with all these design decisions: [complaints about RPM handling source RPMs SNIPped] I have to agree with Ben here actually. Using a software package manager to manage source

Hard drive woes.

2000-11-14 Thread Ken Ambrose
Pesky Abit/HPT366/Maxtor 80 GB problem: finally got happy patches in place for a) reiserfs, and b) HPT366 (under 2.2.17), and so I went to mkfs my drive... only to find that it had magically shrunk to 18GB. I seem to recall this being an issue, but, despite my poking around, I'm yet to find the

Re: Fwd: Linux Hacker Ethnography

2000-11-14 Thread Ken Ambrose
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Derek D. Martin wrote: SPAM ALERT! I dunno, this may be legit, but it doesn't sound like it to me... it appears to have originated from a dialup AOL account. From the headers: I hate to say it, but I disagree. For one, just how big a demographic is the Linux community?

Re: Fwd: Linux Hacker Ethnography

2000-11-14 Thread Casioqv
Have you been diagnosed with paranoia? Hi, This is Tyler Backman (who sent this). -I go to Clackamas Community College In oregon City, OR (near portland). -I use a dialup aol account (I don't pay for it so I have no choice) -I don't spam anyone nor am I associated with anyone who spams, I was

Re: Linux Hacker Ethnography

2000-11-14 Thread Casioqv
Interesting! this is the online syllabus for a class (that I am not taking) taught by my CS-161 instructor "Nick Molatore". I am taking WR-121 at CCC from Melody Wilson. I do not beleive that this syllabus is on the web site. Ken Ambrose wrote: Regardless of the above, however, a quick trip to