Re: Apache Web Server

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott said: If you absolutely have to pay money for your support, then see above and below. On the other hand, consider your non-traditional support options: One thing I like to point out to people - in 1997, the Linux Community (mailing lists, newsgroups, etc, not us paid

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott said: The default GNOME system uses Enlightenment, which is very resource intensive (by design), and is somewhat unstable (not by design). In your case, I would recommend invoking the "GNOME Control Center", going to Desktop - Window Manager, and choosing "Window Maker"

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott Said: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Karl J. Runge wrote: In the past, the [Debian] installs have been truly horrid, but things have improved to the point where they are only mildly unpleasant. Has it really improved, or have you just gotten used to the bumps in the road and now

Re: Apache Web Server

2001-02-19 Thread Karl J. Runge
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like to point out to people - in 1997, the Linux Community (mailing lists, newsgroups, etc, not us paid support companies (shameless plug ;-) won Inforworld's Support of the Year. This unpaid, volunteer community

Re: Apache Web Server

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Karl J. Runge said: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I like to point out to people - in 1997, the Linux Community (mailing lists, newsgroups, etc, not us paid support companies (shameless plug ;-) won Inforworld's Support of the Year. This

Re: RedHat 7.0 and aic7xxx

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Matthew J. Brodeur said: I'm having a problem with an Adaptec 2940UW and several kernels in RH7.0. Below this message is the output from trying to load the aic7xxx module while running RedHat's 2.2.17-14smp. The same thing happens with 2.2.16-22 and 2.4.1. The MB is a Tyan 1564D w/

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Thomas Charron
*bonk*.. Meeza tupid.. :-) Shoulda been =, not =.. :-) On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, "Thomas Charron" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: main(){ int i = 0; while(1) { while(1) { if(i = 1) i++; else break; } i =

Re: RedHat 7.0 and aic7xxx

2001-02-19 Thread Brad Noyes
Hi Matt, I have also had this problem several times, usually updating the kernel does it for me, but it looks like you're already tried it. If checking the termination doesn't solve the problem, i would then check the speed of the bus using the SCSI Select utility. You might want to lower the

RE: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Coutu, Dan
Nice job Charlie! I would add a few more things to consider though. It is very clear that the people at Microsoft, such as Jim Allchin, can no longer see the forest for the trees when it comes to innovation. They have become so accustomed to buying whatever it is that they want that they can no

Re: Mail user agents (was: Uninstall RH and format...)

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: So, it sounds like Pine is a decent email program. I like it, and since I use it, that is the most important consideration for me. Objectively, though, it seems to have a surprisingly rich feature set, a strong element of functional DWIM, and

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Kurth Bemis wrote: redhat is bloatware...i'm sorry to sayi had redhat on this system before and it was slow and crashed all the time...(well gnome did) ^^

Re: RedHat 7.0 and aic7xxx

2001-02-19 Thread Ken D'Ambrosio
I seem to recall having this problem; if memory serves, termination is the right route, but the thing to be *sure* of is that auto-termination is turned off on the card. Terminate it whatever way you want it to be, but avoid the auto-termination option. Good luck! -Ken On Mon, 19 Feb 2001,

RE: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Coutu, Dan wrote: It is very clear that the people at Microsoft, such as Jim Allchin, can no longer see the forest for the trees when it comes to innovation. (This rant was inspired by a comment I saw on LinuxToday.) Microsoft sees Linux as a threat because Linux (or,

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Thomas Charron wrote: If other posts hold true, that the fan motor if powering according to CPU usage ... Slight correction: By temperature, either of the CPU itself, or some other temperature probe point. An idle CPU in a properly configured system runs cooler. A hard

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
comments inserted inline. Benjamin Scott said: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Coutu, Dan wrote: It is very clear that the people at Microsoft, such as Jim Allchin, can no longer see the forest for the trees when it comes to innovation. (This rant was inspired by a comment I saw on LinuxToday.)

Re: Apache Web Server

2001-02-19 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: Recently, they seem to have lightened up on Linux OS. Maybe because IBM (one of their major advertisers, MS being another one) is supporting it. However, they still seem to take a lot of the "linuxgram" method - damning with faint praise, reporting

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Paul Lussier
Benjamin Scott said: It was as if, all this time, Ford paid nothing to manufacture the cars they sell, and all of a sudden, someone sat up and asked why they had to pay for it anyway. I don't blame Microsoft for being scared. They are looking straight into potential oblivion. Yep, dead

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
The constitutional rights that are granted are extremely limited. If you notice, you are only guaranteed the right to *persuit of happiness*. It doesn't guarantee happiness. That right there says that you can try, and you might succeed, but you might also fail. However, on this topic, and since

Re: Apache Web Server

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Benjamin Scott said: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Jeffry Smith wrote: Recently, they seem to have lightened up on Linux OS. Maybe because IBM (one of their major advertisers, MS being another one) is supporting it. However, they still seem to take a lot of the "linuxgram" method - damning

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Jeffry Smith
Paul Lussier said: One thing I find interesting is that though the Consitution guarantees the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, these companies seem to think that somewhere in there is also the guarantee to make money. However, it doesn't stop there either. Not only do

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
The really scarey part about this quote is that the more judges rule in favor of people like the RIAA and the MPAA, there *IS* case law to justify this opinion. The more that politicians are "educated" (a.k.a bribed, I mean, lobbied) by monopolies like Microsoft, there will be legislation to

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Paul Lussier wrote: One thing I find interesting is that though the Consitution guarantees the right to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, these companies seem to As pedants like myself will happily point out, it does no such thing, though people often think

Ahm, where's the calendar?

2001-02-19 Thread Paul Lussier
I'm getting: Not Found The requested URL /cgi-slug/calendar/calendar.cgi was not found on this server. -- Seeya, Paul It may look like I'm just sitting here doing nothing, but I'm really actively waiting for all my problems to go away. If

Re: Microsoft hits new ethical low point?

2001-02-19 Thread mod
Seeing as the Linux-oriented S/N ratio has become nearly unmeasurable here (and because I wonder if I can still get a certain few brittle old synapses to fire in sequence) I'll remark that John Locke is very likely disappointed with some of the wording in the Declaration. When Jefferson and

Re: RedHat 7.0 and aic7xxx

2001-02-19 Thread Oliver Jackson
Suggest putting HD on SCSI 0 vice CD. Some bios's want to boot from 0. OHJ On Monday 19 February 2001 10:08, Jeffry Smith wrote: Matthew J. Brodeur said: I'm having a problem with an Adaptec 2940UW and several kernels in RH7.0. Below this message is the output from trying to

Re: RedHat 7.0 and aic7xxx

2001-02-19 Thread Matthew J. Brodeur
It was a SCAM! Well, SCAM seems to be the problem. I don't know if it's a behavior particular to the new Linux driver, but the SCAM-assigned IDs got ignored to some extent. What seemed to be happening was that the HD (not a boot device, BTW) that was SCAMed to ID#15 ended up being ID#0

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread Kenneth E. Lussier
There is an exploit floating around that allows for a root shell to be executed on the vulnerable system. It is widely available on the `net, and from everything that I have read, it works pretty well, too. FYI, Kenny "Karl J. Runge" wrote: Hi, This may be a false alarm, but in the past

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread Robert W. Fowler
i think one of our machines got nailed just This morning with a suspected named exploit i can post any info that ive found if anyone would like to examine it, im still sifting through it myself. Time to Wipe the disk Rob - Original Message - From: "Karl J. Runge" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread Karl J. Runge
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, "Robert W. Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think one of our machines got nailed just This morning with a suspected named exploit i can post any info that ive found if anyone would like to examine it, im still sifting through it myself. Time to Wipe the disk

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread cdowns
cdowns wrote: "Karl J. Runge" wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, "Robert W. Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think one of our machines got nailed just This morning with a suspected named exploit i can post any info that ive found if anyone would like to examine it, im still

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Benjamin Scott
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Peter Cavender wrote: part, the CPU, and the heat it generates don't care if they are cracking encryption, or just running around in a scheduler that has nothing to do. With the sole exception of systems that have power management and can go into a low power idle mode,

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread cdowns
cdowns wrote: cdowns wrote: "Karl J. Runge" wrote: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, "Robert W. Fowler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think one of our machines got nailed just This morning with a suspected named exploit i can post any info that ive found if anyone would like to

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Thomas Charron wrote: If other posts hold true, that the fan motor if powering according to CPU usage ... Slight correction: By temperature, either of the CPU itself, or some other temperature probe point. An idle CPU in a properly configured system runs cooler.

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Tony Lambiris
Benjamin Scott wrote: Given that past Debian installs have failed to even create a valid base installation, I would say, yes, they have improved! They are now at the same level as, say, Red Hat Linux 3.x. (In fact, the installers of RHL 3.x and Debian 2.2 are remarkably similar.)

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Tony Lambiris
Benjamin Scott wrote: REDHAT! it never worksever... Given that Red Hat remains, by far, the most popular Linux distribution in use, and that Linux continues to gain market share, I'm going to have to disagree. Me too. Red Hat is a nice linux distro to recommend to new linux users,

Re: pine 4.33 and maildirs

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
Not that I want to drag this whole subject up again--being mostly a lurker myself--but isn't this type of response exactly what many folks were saying turned them away from the list? Just thought I'd throw in my humble suggestion to "play nice", I guess... - Dana Tellier

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Mark Komarinski
Tony Lambiris wrote: Benjamin Scott wrote: I can't understand why people hate Debian's installer so much. It's very straight-forward, and as long as you know a little about your system (at least the module you use for your ethernet device), Debian will install no problem. What do you

Summer Position

2001-02-19 Thread jesse mcdougall
Long time list-member, first time poster Hello, My name is Jesse McDougall, and I'm a Linux-aholic. I switched my personal laptop over to Slackware a little over a year and a half ago. I've been deeply involved with the Linux community/ideology ever since. I've coded many websites,

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
On the gripping hand, I'm seriously considering giving SuSE 7.1 a try. Heh..me too. Both on x86 and PPC. that is why I use 6.2, with the updated RPMs, and the perpetually insecure software (sendmail, wu-ftpd, BIND) I'm curious... do you have an

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
Q: How many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb?? A: None: it is a hardware problem. Seriously, folks, learn a bit about motherboard [design]. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following

Re: Heads up for named?

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
So why don't you run djbdns? We know vixie's record in the past, despite all the claims. It is crap. They don't fix it. 'nuf said? --P On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Kenneth E. Lussier wrote: There are currently 3 exploits for the latest BIND vulnerability that I know of: bind8x.c, tsl_bind.c, and

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Peter Cavender
Incorrect. Please reference Derek Martin's previous post in this thread, where he mentions how Linux idles the CPU when it is not busy, PLEASE REFERENCE LINES IN KERNEL SOURCE, or relevant modules. --Pete ** To unsubscribe from

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
Yesterday, Benjamin Scott gleaned this insight: On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Peter Cavender wrote: part, the CPU, and the heat it generates don't care if they are cracking encryption, or just running around in a scheduler that has nothing to do. With the sole exception of systems that have

Re: Help! I think space aliens are trying to mess with my fan!

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
Today, Peter Cavender gleaned this insight: Incorrect. Please reference Derek Martin's previous post in this thread, where he mentions how Linux idles the CPU when it is not busy, PLEASE REFERENCE LINES IN KERNEL SOURCE, or relevant modules. /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/apm.c:

Re: Distro War - Was Re: Warning Banner?

2001-02-19 Thread Derek Martin
Today, Tony Lambiris gleaned this insight: Benjamin Scott wrote: Given that past Debian installs have failed to even create a valid base installation, I would say, yes, they have improved! They are now at the same level as, say, Red Hat Linux 3.x. (In fact, the installers of RHL 3.x