Re: package management, etc. (was Re: Debian flamewar reborn)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, [EMAIL PROTECTED] hath spake thusly: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 12:20pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: > > Missing from both right now, I think, is the ability to say that a > > particular package is recommended, but not required (does

Re: package management, etc. (was Re: Debian flamewar reborn)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 12:20pm, Derek D. Martin wrote: > Missing from both right now, I think, is the ability to say that a > particular package is recommended, but not required (does dpkg do this?) Debian's system does do this. A package can be "Required", "Recommended", or "Suggested". It i

package management, etc. (was Re: Debian flamewar reborn)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Rich Payne hath spake thusly: > RedHat user, both have their advatages and disadvantages and one of the > advantages of Debian is that the packaging system is a little bit ahead of > RedHat (nothing that can't be fixed with a

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 3 Jul 2002, at 11:43am, Cole Tuininga wrote: > We have a couple RH boxes around here, one of which is 7.2. I tried doing > exactly this, and it began to complain about missing some rpm rpms? I > couldn't figure out how to fulfill the dependency? That's odd. What RPMs was it complaining ab

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Tue, 2002-07-02 at 18:14, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 2 Jul 2002, at 2:24pm, Cole Tuininga wrote: > > Step 1) apt-get update > > Step 2) apt-get -u upgrade > > Well, Red Hat nicely provides the "up2date" utility, which does the same > thing, in one less step: > > Step 1) up2date -u We

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 9:12am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Right, but RedHat still hasn't released the code to their up2date server > right? No, nor do they plan to. Red Hat considers their update server system to be an intellectual property asset and a value-added service. However, the up2da

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, at 8:42am, Rich Payne wrote: > We do paint with a broad brush stroak don't we. Yes, and I want to apologize for the tone of my messages in this thread yesterday. While everything I said had a basis in real opinions and experience, I went a little over the top with the sarca

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Ben Boulanger wrote: > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Rich Payne wrote: > > OK then, show me how to point up2date at a different repository? Or better > > yet how to setup my own up2date server. Yes, I'm a Debian user, I'm also a > > RedHat user, both have their advatages and disadvant

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Wed, 3 Jul 2002, Rich Payne wrote: > OK then, show me how to point up2date at a different repository? Or better > yet how to setup my own up2date server. Yes, I'm a Debian user, I'm also a > RedHat user, both have their advatages and disadvantages and one of the > advantages of Debian is tha

Re: Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 2 Jul 2002, at 2:24pm, Cole Tuininga wrote: > > Step 1) apt-get update > > Step 2) apt-get -u upgrade > > Well, Red Hat nicely provides the "up2date" utility, which does the same > thing, in one less step: > > Step 1) up2date -u While up2dat

Debian flamewar reborn (was: Open SSH for Red Hat 6.2)

On 2 Jul 2002, at 2:24pm, Cole Tuininga wrote: > Step 1) apt-get update > Step 2) apt-get -u upgrade Well, Red Hat nicely provides the "up2date" utility, which does the same thing, in one less step: Step 1) up2date -u The problem here is that Red Hat Linux 6.2 does not include OpenSSH at

Re: Debian flamewar

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: >> Hardware detection is basically non-existent. > > That's been my major complaint with Debian, and it's a one-time complaint. The "you only install once" argument is a major fallacy, and it is time to burst that bubble. I work for a systems integr

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: > The information is in the Contents file, e.g. > >/debian/dists/potato/Contents-i386.gz Now *that* is something I wish Red Hat had! :-) -- Ben Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Net Technologies, Inc. Voice: (800)905-3049 x18

Re: Debian flamewar

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: >> They don't include Netscape on *any* of the *three* CDs that come >> with the "Official" distribution. > > I found this on the third CD of my set from Linux Central: > /cdrom/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/mozilla_M14-2.deb No you didn't. Y

Re: Debian flamewar

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, James R. Van Zandt wrote: >> dpkg lacks quite a bit of the power of RPM when it comes to >> querying installed packages. There is no way to select packages >> based on a file owned, for example. > > vanzandt:/tmp$ dpkg --search /bin/fgrep > grep: /bin/fgrep No. That t

Re: Debian flamewar

"James R. Van Zandt" wrote: > > Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > They don't include Netscape on *any* of the *three* CDs that come > >with the "Official" distribution. > > I found this on the third CD of my set from Linux Central: > /cdrom/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/mozi

Re: Debian flamewar

Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > dpkg lacks quite a bit of the power of RPM when it comes to >querying installed packages. There is no way to select packages >based on a file owned, for example. vanzandt:/tmp$ dpkg --search /bin/fgrep grep: /bin/fgrep ...so the file /bin/fgrep

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

Suzanne Hillman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >How does one determine the name of the package one would need for a >specific file/command/binary/etc under Debian (without using the >search tool on their site)? The information is in the Contents file, e.g. /debian/dists/potato/Contents-i386.gz

Re: Debian flamewar

Benjamin Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > They don't include Netscape on *any* of the *three* CDs that come >with the "Official" distribution. I found this on the third CD of my set from Linux Central: /cdrom/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/web/mozilla_M14-2.deb - Ji

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

In a message dated: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:11:10 PST "Karl J. Runge" said: >> How would you do this with RPM? > >Perhaps something like: > >% rpm -q --filesbypkg -p /usr/RPMS/*.rpm | grep /sbin/iptunnel >net-tools /sbin/iptunnel > >Of course this requires all the rpm's being availabl

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Of course this requires all the rpm's being available (e.g. local > disk, CD-ROM, or ftp:// URL), and so I can't imagine *any* > packaging system that couldn't provide this info. E.g. with the > help of a little for-loop and grep. Remember folks, this *is* Unix. ;-)

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

On Tue, 07 Nov 2000, Paul Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think what Suzanne wants is a way to find out what package owns, say, > >"/usr/bin/foo", without having to have that package installed first. In other > >words, a "dpkg -S" command that works on uninstalled packages. > > Ho

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

In a message dated: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:08:48 EST Benjamin Scott said: > I think what Suzanne wants is a way to find out what package owns, say, >"/usr/bin/foo", without having to have that package installed first. In other >words, a "dpkg -S" command that works on uninstalled packages. How wo

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, mike ledoux wrote: >> I have a question that's been bugging me for a while. How does one >> determine the name of the package one would need for a specific >> file/command/binary/etc under Debian (without using the search tool on >> their site)? > > Well, the 'easy' way is to f

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, mike ledoux wrote: > On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Suzanne Hillman wrote: > > >I have a question that's been bugging me for a while. How does one > >determine the name of the package one would need for a specific > >file/command/binary/etc under Debian (without using the search tool on

Re: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Suzanne Hillman wrote: > Subject: Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar) > > I have a question that's been bugging me for a while. How does one > determine the name of the package one would need for a specific > file/command/binary/etc under Debia

Re: Debian flamewar

In a message dated: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:23:52 EST Benjamin Scott said: > I await your replies/insults/death threats with baited breath. ;-) You're gonna have to wait a while for mine, since that e-mail was so insanely long I got tired of reading about half way through :) How about you pick 1

Debian package names (was Re: Debian flamewar)

I have a question that's been bugging me for a while. How does one determine the name of the package one would need for a specific file/command/binary/etc under Debian (without using the search tool on their site)? I hate having figured out *what* I need, knowing that it must be available for Deb

Re: Debian flamewar

Benjamin Scott wrote: > > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: > > Debian - from the inside (i.e. someone from Debian talking about why > > it was set up, how it runs, what problems they have, etc) > > Debian runs? ;-) > > Okay, despite the subject line, my goal here is not actually to

Debian flamewar

On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Jeffry Smith wrote: > Debian - from the inside (i.e. someone from Debian talking about why > it was set up, how it runs, what problems they have, etc) Debian runs? ;-) Okay, despite the subject line, my goal here is not actually to start a flamewar. Or, at least, that's