Maybe it's time to revive the we need a [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailing list to send all our off-topic posts to thread.
Or maybe Ben can grep -v all the messages with subjects matching ^OT:
out of the mailing list digests.
Although the density of truly Linux technical topics on this list is
On 3/26/07, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't you feel like a colonial pion fighting against King George's army?
The corporate megaliths are just praying that we consumers won't act
with our wallets and start to completely ignore the traditional/modern
forms of entertainment
Hey guys...
Anyone here familiar with LUA and interested in occasional piecework
writing LUA scripts for us? Reply to me directly for details if
interested...
--Drew Van Zandt
Sensatronics LLC
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On 3/26/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/26/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to
.mpeg files? That's what I did.
Anyone recommend a good mpeg editor once you have them converted so I
can
take out the $#^%#
On 3/26/07, Scott Garman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is anyone here running Linux on a Dell Latitude D620 laptop? I'm
seriously considering buying one and have some specific questions for
someone currently using it.
FWIW I've dual booted my work D610 with Fedora FC4. Wireless worked,
graphics
Mike,
You are right. Some files on our server which I believe are plain text files
turn out to be data, based on what file command shows. Weird! These
files were moved from AIX system to the current Red Hat system, could this
have something to with the file type?
Thank you.
Zhao
On 3/26/07,
Tom Buskey wrote:
On 3/26/07, *Ben Scott* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/26/07, Bob King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why not just do a one-time batch tivodecode of the .tivo files to
.mpeg files? That's what I did.
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Scott Garman wrote:
Is anyone here running Linux on a Dell Latitude D620 laptop? I'm
seriously considering buying one and have some specific questions for
someone currently using it.
Thanks,
Scott
I have installed or helped to configure
On 3/27/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are right. Some files on our server which I believe are plain text files
turn out to be data, based on what file command shows.
The file(1) command just looks at the contents of a file, and
looks for known patterns (also called magic numbers).
From the viewpoint of one who pontificates a lot on the list, I have
also the pain of those who just want technical information, and do not
want to join in the greater discussions, but this issue is not just
technical' versus non-technical.
For example, recently people kept using the subject line
Seth Cohn wrote:
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Point
Travis Roy wrote:
I think DMCA is fair game.
I've got better things to do than to be the mailing list Nazi (Hah!
Goodwin's Law!) and won't meta-debate what can or can't be posted, But
advocating illegal activities no matter how offensive the law is
something that can get the list in trouble.
Seth Cohn wrote:
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Point
On 3/27/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Every time I saw MythtvFest in the subject line I felt duty-bound
to read it ...
Yah, I do try to change the subject line when forking a thread. The
problem is, most people don't -- they just keep hitting Reply to all
all day long. It's
On 3/27/07, Ted Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to
On 3/27/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/27/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps the discuss list should be broken down into two parts:
Yah, this has been proposed here before. By me, even. There are a
I think if we look at the archives, the largest
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:25:02PM -0400, Jeff Macdonald wrote:
I just watched Battlestar Galactica, which turned out to be the last one for
the season. The next one won't be till 200 8. Ugh! The networks are giving
me less and less reason to watch this stuff when it's aired (or in my case,
On 3/27/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do not think that the discussion of politics by itself is reasonable
in any gnhlug list. From time to time an aside done in support of
some point about Linux, but nothing about parties and their people.
That should rapidly be rejected.
On 3/27/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since two lists have been proposed over and over again but not acted on, why
not try it if it doesn't increase the admin work load?
*Because* it has been proposed over and over again, but not acted
on. It hasn't been acted on because nothing
On 3/27/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
should be picked as carefully as the first subject line.
I know from experience that the best subject line in the world can
still end up completely off-topic in about three replies. I suspect
you do, too. :)
For example: I cannot help but
I don't recall that we've *ever* had anyone go so far as to start
campaigning for their preferred candidate. The worst was some brief
Bush-bashing. But we have had several long, involved threads about
mostly political issues.
Copyright issues.
I think that copyright issues and
For example: I cannot help but note that this thread really has very
little to do with Subject Lines on the Mailing list, and *never
did*. Oh, the irony, it burns. ;-)
I disagree. This thread has to do with being easily able to determine
the basic content of the email, and it was
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:02:00 -0400 (EDT)
Ric Werme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or maybe I'll give up on the Linux discussion mailing list and just
go to the PySig meetings.
Ric, you are a gentleman and a scholar. :) :)
-Bill
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Seriously...
Yet despite three decades of descriptions of [mailing-list
dysfunction], it is often treated by designers as a mere side-effect,
as if each eruption [...] was surprising or inexplicable.
The Tragedy of the Conversational Commons
In the case of mailing lists (and, again, other
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:52:01AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
[...]
I'm not just arguing to be argumentative (that's room 12A); these
are questions that would need to be answered for anything like a list
charter to be drawn up.
... (and then ignore them later with the proper subject line).
I have found that, usually, when a list posting has generated 10 or 20
replies, I'm no longer interested in the follow-ups. Can procmail count
messages with the smae subject line (preferably ignore the depth of
Re:) and discard or divert additional messages once the count has
been reached?
Bill,
I believe that Shirky demonstrates that fixing a mailing list is
not possible. Letting go makes it easier to relax and enjoy...
Doesn't it?
We fixed the list at least twice before:
o the addition of announce
o the addition of gnhlug-org
where, since I have asked Ted to
My $0.02:
If a couple of guys are posting something you're tired of hearing about on
the list, and you don't want to do some sort of filtering to drop it... send
all those discussing it on list an OFF-LIST polite note Isn't that sort of
offtopic? The chatter's drowning out the Linux talk.
I
That's the strongest argument I've heard against splitting. Thank you for
changing my opinion.
Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment :-)
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 11:52:01AM -0400, Ben Scott wrote:
I'm not just arguing to be argumentative (that's room 12A); these
are questions that would need to be answered for anything like a list
charter to be drawn up.
Isn't that room 3b?
jeff
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One of the things we've been trying to do on the BLU list is when
someone posts a job messages, they put [JOB] at the beginning of the
subject. Another convention a few people have been using is [OT] for
off-topic discussions.
Additionally, it is not good form to hijack threads.
basically,
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:50:56PM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
basically, IMHO, the GNHLUG is low volume enough that it probably would
not need to be split into 3 lists, as Maddog suggested, though it would
not be difficult to create the 2 additional lists, and use the main
discuss list as a
Rather scary how a mere discussion of the legalities elicts such a
furor, another chilling effect illustrated... when you can't discuss
the issues (and use illustrations such as links of the sort of things
that are under fire), what's left but to cave in and give up?
Point of clarification
On Tuesday, Mar 27th 2007 at 12:00 -0500, quoth Bill Freeman:
=I have found that, usually, when a list posting has generated 10 or 20
=replies, I'm no longer interested in the follow-ups. Can procmail count
=messages with the smae subject line (preferably ignore the depth of
=Re:) and discard or
Steven W. Orr writes:
On Tuesday, Mar 27th 2007 at 12:00 -0500, quoth Bill Freeman:
=I have found that, usually, when a list posting has generated 10 or 20
=replies, I'm no longer interested in the follow-ups. Can procmail count
=messages with the smae subject line (preferably ignore
Drew Van Zandt profferred his $0.02:
If a couple of guys are posting something you're tired of hearing about on
the list, and you don't want to do some sort of filtering to drop
it... send all those discussing it on list an OFF-LIST polite note Isn't
that sort of offtopic? The chatter's
mike ledoux wrote:
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 01:50:56PM -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
basically, IMHO, the GNHLUG is low volume enough that it probably would
not need to be split into 3 lists, as Maddog suggested, though it would
not be difficult to create the 2 additional lists, and use the
On 3/27/07, Bruce Dawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, none of this would be a problem if we were using newsgroups
None of this is a problem if you're using mail software which
supports thread killing, either. Which I do.
I'm not sure where that fits into the argument, but I'm sure
On 3/27/07, Bill Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have found that, usually, when a list posting has generated 10 or 20
replies, I'm no longer interested in the follow-ups.
... being able to declare a thread interesting ...
What mail reader do you use? It might be easier/better to address
On 3/27/07, mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:25:02PM -0400, Jeff Macdonald wrote:
I just watched Battlestar Galactica, which turned out to be the last one
for
the season. The next one won't be till 200 8. Ugh! The networks are
giving
me less and less reason to
Bill Freeman writes:
I have found that, usually, when a list posting has generated 10 or 20
replies, I'm no longer interested in the follow-ups. Can procmail count
messages with the smae subject line (preferably ignore the depth of
Re:) and discard or divert additional messages once the
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 12:45:49PM -0400, mike ledoux wrote:
I have been through this a few times in the past, with different
groups, where the decision was eventually made to fragment the list
into multiple lists with more focused charters. I have, to date,
never seen it work well. With
MIT Press published Perspectives on Free and Open Source Software in
2005. It's available for free download from their web site - scroll down
and look for the link at the bottom of the left pane.
Essays are written by a number of luminaries like Clay Shirky, Robert L.
Glass, Josh Lerner, Eric von
While I happen to rather agree with mike ledoux's choice of subject
line, I cannot bring myself to deliberately use a biased subject line.
Sorry. :)
On 3/27/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And perhaps we should be more forceful in helping people to use
digests ...
I'm not a
On 3/27/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not just arguing to be argumentative (that's room 12A)
Isn't that room 3b?
No it's not!
-- Ben
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On 3/27/07, Mark E. Mallett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, and back to a previous subject... simply changing the subject text
isn't really enough. When a threat mutates, you really want a new one,
which means getting rid of the References links.
Hmmm. Interesting take. I've always found the
Hi all,
Sorry for the on-topic post. ;-)
Anyone here played around with disk imaging tools which are
filesystem aware? Like partimage[1] and Clonezilla[2]? I'm
especially interested in experience with FAT and NTFS partitions.
'nix is very well-behaved in this area, so an exact disk image
If anybody is tallying votes, my vote is:
1: don't split the mailing list.
2: encourage members of this list to stay on topic in the way that we
always have.
3: treat members like adults
4: expect members to be adults
If you have been on this list for any amount of time and you
During and immediately after the Sept 11 attacks, the US Air Traffic
Control system was faced with an unprecedented challenge: Respond to a
concerted effort to use passenger airliners as flying bombs, while at
the same time grounding all civilian air traffic. This had never been
done before.
On 3/27/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/27/07, Jeffry Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not just arguing to be argumentative (that's room 12A)
Isn't that room 3b?
No it's not!
On behalf of the barrister firm of Leach, Cleese and Bartlett, please
stop this silliness before
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:28:28 -0400
Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone here played around with disk imaging tools which are
filesystem aware? Like partimage[1] and Clonezilla[2]? I'm
especially interested in experience with FAT and NTFS partitions.
'nix is very well-behaved in this
Ben Scott wrote:
Sorry for the on-topic post. ;-)
It's welcomed!
Anyone here played around with disk imaging tools which are
filesystem aware? Like partimage[1] and Clonezilla[2]? I'm
especially interested in experience with FAT and NTFS partitions.
Yes! Partimage has helped me ghost
I wanted to step forward and state the following:
I am in the unenviable position of being both an active participant
of this list, and the present owner and chief administrator of the
server which hosts it.
In general, when it comes to this group, I aim to strictly avoid
unilateral action
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