Interesting read, thanks for sharing and for the follow on comments.
I'm in the midst of working on porting code from Vax to modern hardware as
we speak.
Richard J. Kolb
On Sun, Oct 8, 2023 at 12:49 PM Jerry Feldman wrote:
> Yes, the pdp-8 also supported multi user and multi tasking. The
Yes, the pdp-8 also supported multi user and multi tasking. The burger king
manex system used os-8 as it's os.
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Jerry Feldman
Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org
On Sun, Oct 8, 2023, 10:40 AM jon.maddog.h...@gmail.com <
jonhal...@comcast.net> wrote:
> I also disagree with many items in
I also disagree with many items in the article.
Ignoring architectures like the PDP-11 and implying that multi-user started
with VMS is just plain wrong. The PDP-11 was a premier platform for
multi-user operating systems like RSTS, RSX-11, and Unix to name just a few.
Secondly the movement
I so miss DEC. Bulk of CS degree was earned utilizing a DECSYSTEM-20, a VAX,
and PDP-11 computers. Later I worked for DEC/Compaq/HP in the late 90s/early
2000s.
-roger
> On 10/07/2023 4:07 PM EDT Don wrote:
>
>
>
It's a great article. I was the principal consultant for IDS in that
era, and there is a staff alumni group active on Facebook where I posted
this link.
I disagree with a number of the claims in the article, especially that
Windows NT was based on VMS when in fact it was based on and
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/10/long-gone-dec-is-still-powering-the-world-of-computing/
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote:
Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware.
Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware
and the software together, and
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get
I propose the rarely here is a function of the company in question.
Even Apple falls into this category for they did not design every thing
about everything they sell either. To that point, there is rarely a
company worth much more than they are charging across most industries.
=)
The issue is
On 03/05/2010 05:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote:
I was looking into what it would take in the way of patent royalties to
put Android onto the Openmoko phone. It was a mess, even just paying
the royalties on a hardware basis. But people can not afford to pay the
royalties on free CDs that
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
Apple and Microsoft have paid up royalties on these things ...
... which has me wondering: how does Ubuntu get away with shipping all
of the stuff necessary to do DVD-authoring!?
While I've never touched
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org wrote:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
Again, I don't have a good answer, but that doesn't mean the problem
goes away. Linux still sucks.
Just to be clear, in this particular case any freely distributable piece
of code that relies on royalty bearing codecs sucks.
That includes BSD, Hurd, Minux, Android, MeeGO, etc.
md
ugly pants carrying Windows laptops around.
I must admit I never related ugly pants with Windows laptops.
I sense a follow-up study, but firstwhat is the definition of ugly
pants?
md
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
Freedom, and low cost, and robustness, and
security, and choice, and all that good stuff.
s/Linux/MacOSX/
Yes and no. MacOS X certainly has a
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Ben Eisenbraun b...@klatsch.org wrote:
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:12:53PM -0500, Star wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting Linux
as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i think?)
There have been some. I
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
I remember that! Computers with the hottest graphics hardware on
the planet, and Doom still did all rendering in software and just
blitted bitmaps to X. :)
Didn't Doom use OpenGL as its engine? Id is one of the reasons
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
You mean Android right? Droid is one model of phone using the Android
platform.
Yes and no, because...
I've read of fragmentation in the Android market.
Exactly. Droid seems like the first Android phone that's
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.
:-D And doesn't use X. And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java
VM.
Oh. I didn't know that. I don't have much interest in mobile phone
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
BUT: I wonder if maybe Ben isn't talking about it being a `gateway drug'
that draws people to platforms that are *technologically similar*,
but if he instead is talking about it drawing people to platforms
that
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Thomas Charron twaf...@gmail.com wrote:
Except for the fact that Andriod is pretty much all written in Java.
:-D And doesn't use X. And must be run in a VM which isn't the Java
VM.
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnson a...@datdec.com wrote:
Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware.
Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware
and the software together, and
O.K., I will wade in here. :-)
For the most part, Ben is right. Vendors who completely control both
hardware and software can make the best products, if your definition
of best is a limited market of items, and you are willing to pay for
them. MVS, VMS, Digital Unix. Rock solid, stable,
Between everyone here I continue to learn a helluva lot about what's going
on with Linux vs. everything else, and am always grateful for it,
particularly for the input from md and Ben recently. So, while having
nothing much to contribute at this time other than congratulations and
thanks for such
On 03/05/2010 12:36 PM, Thomas Charron wrote:
But there's a whole slew of
custom-google-glue-and-tweaks, which was disappointing.
Yeah, Google likes to grab a project, modify it to its own needs, and
throw the code over the wall. Same as happens for Chrome. Tom Callaway
at Fedora did
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Alan Johnsona...@datdec.com wrote:
Well, except MacOSX has specific hardware.
Indeed, that's a big part of Apple's strategy. Design the hardware
and the software together, and they'll work well together. And there
is something to be
Ralph,
While I agree with some things you said:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
their codecs, and
Jon 'maddog' Hall mad...@li.org writes:
Not one Linux distro I've seen does a convincing job with consumer
media, an absolutely basic requirement, and something we ought to be
able to get right.
Well, please ask the DVD people not to used royalty bearing patents in
their codecs, and
... which has me wondering: how does Ubuntu get away with shipping all
of the stuff necessary to do DVD-authoring!?
Ahhh, what does it meant to do DVD-authoring? Moving encoded bits on
a DVD? No problem! Taking video bits from my video camera (encoded
into Mpeg) and putting it onto my DVD? No
I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539Chris
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I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
I do not agree with the author of the article either.
His arguments seem only based on a limited experience of what Linux has
to offer.
I know that
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your eyes to how the people complaining see things, don't be
surprised when they
I will play the Devil's advocate here:
No gaming support - Mandriva has an entire product line devoted to
gaming, but the gaming developers didn't work with it and the end users
didn't try it out. It was subsequently dropped.
Yes, and It was subsequently dropped is the issue. Linux just does
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.comwrote:
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Chris fj1...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree with all of it, but it does put a few things in perspective.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=7532tag=nl.e539
Chris
It's hard to say you don't agree with other users observations.
Note, he's not the one the
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Brian Chabot br...@datasquire.net wrote:
I do not agree with the author of the article either.
His arguments seem only based on a limited experience of what Linux has
to offer.
They aren't his arguments.
So, what I’ve done here is gone through the
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.comwrote:
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream people think. If you insist on
closing your
To: Greater NH Linux User Group gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 12:36:54 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting article,
For the TL;DR crowd: Zealotry does not help the cause. It hurts.
Reality check time. I suggest zealots take note. The way you and I
think is not how most mainstream
Lori,
A good list of game issues.
Now add the fact that most Linux people are:
o Open Source (and typically games aren't)
o quite a few don't believe in paying for anything (and game makers have
to eat)
o game making is more of a science combined with art these daysfew
people would be happy
Lori Nagel writes:
1) User interfaces tend to be poor and over compilcated, with a
bunch of skills and stats taking up the whole screen in a way you
can't close as opposed to the whole screen being immersed in the
game.
This is a valid complaint. The reason for this is probably because
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Tom Buskey t...@buskey.name wrote:
Freedom, and low cost, and robustness, and
security, and choice, and all that good stuff.
s/Linux/MacOSX/
Yes and no. MacOS X certainly has a number of selling points,
several of which it shares with Linux, others which are
There is definitely a chicken-and-egg problem when it comes to games
on Linux. Game publishers don't target Linux because there are few
gamer customers running Linux. Gamer people don't run Linux because
there are few publishers targeting Linux.
(I don't have an answer.)
-- Ben
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
There is definitely a chicken-and-egg problem when it comes to games
on Linux. Game publishers don't target Linux because there are few
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting
Linux as a
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com wrote:
But low cost? Freedom? You never really own a Mac -- you're just
renting it from Steve Jobs. As someone said to me recently, There
can be more than one evil empire.
http://www.snopes.com/history/govern/trains.asp
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting
Linux as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i
think?)
Again, a few counter-examples does not mean the overall trend is untrue. :)
With all of
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
Then there's the Sound integration... You've got Pulse over
here, eSound on that guy, he's playing with ALSA, and OSS ...
http://www.trilug.org/~crimsun/linuxaudio.png
Oh, not this
Joshua Judson Rosen roz...@geekspace.com writes:
Benjamin Scott dragonh...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Star nhs...@gmail.com wrote:
Then there's the Sound integration... You've got Pulse over
here, eSound on that guy, he's playing with ALSA, and OSS ...
... and I was trying to remember where I saw an analogous off-the-cuff
flowchart for Windows. I just found it:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vLES3KKBdaM/Sjsptq1kkCI/AGU/yITp1qKuHOU/s1600-h/windowsaudio.png
Yes, and it is true that Windows probably has as much a mess in this as
Linux
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Joshua Judson Rosen
roz...@geekspace.com wrote:
Oh, not this again--half of those arrows aren't even pointing
to the right places
One again, spectacularly missing the point.
Say a programmer is used to MS Windows, where despite your flow
chart, it's all
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 06:12:53PM -0500, Star wrote:
There have been a couple of great releases specifically targeting Linux
as a platform. I'm thinking of Unreal, EVE, and Farcry (i think?)
There have been some. I remember playing Tribes 2 during lunch on the
linux workstations in the NOC.
http://www.vnunet.com/news/1158498
Thought you all might be interested.
Jason Kern
www.KernBuilt.com
603.823.5150
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