Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 12:12:11PM -0500, Ed Robbins wrote: Derek, I hear by give unto thee an official atta boy. Looking back through the thread I see that you pointed out this very point in an earlier response. My humblest apologies for any hardship I may have placed upon you for my

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Jerry Feldman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:28:29 +0900 Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Democracy died a long, long time ago. The United States has been a republic since June 21, 1788 when New Hampshire ratified the constitution. When we vote for the president,

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Paul Lussier
In a message dated: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:28:29 +0900 Derek Martin said: Democracy died a long, long time ago. And Democracy has absolutely nothing to do with our form of government, which is a Constitutional Republic. The two are very, very different! You're also overlooking the fact that this

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Greg Rundlett
I strongly agree with Derek that Democracy doesn't exist in America. The facts also show the current administration has so badly defrauded the population that I'm finally convinced that we have to vote in order to change things. The point of my original post was that we need to vote. We

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread brian
On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 10:20, Greg Rundlett wrote: However, (and I'm really not looking for flames) I can't for the life of me understand why people still would vote for George Bush / Republican after 9/11 And that's what makes this country interesting, the ability to vote your choice. Do

RE: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Travis Roy
I as an independant, were I a citizen of NH, could have voted in the primary, and would have probably voted for old Al. Not because I like him, or because I even have the feintest notion he might win or make a decent president, but simply because it would be one more vote cast and _against_

RE: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Travis Roy
However, (and I'm really not looking for flames) I can't for the life of me understand why people still would vote for George Bush / Republican after 9/11 Because some people think he's the best person for the job? For whatever reason.. ___

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:29:33AM -0500, brian wrote: On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 10:20, Greg Rundlett wrote: However, (and I'm really not looking for flames) I can't for the life of me understand why people still would vote for George Bush / Republican after 9/11 And that's what makes this

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Ed Robbins
Ok, so it's not Linux related, but what a great discussion! Kudos to Paul for pointing out that our form of government is not a democracy, it is in fact a republic. However, that being said, we do have many democratic process' and institutions, the New England town meeting is a perfect

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Jon maddog Hall
Ladies and gentlemen, As interesting as this discussion might be to a few, it has NOTHING to do with Linux. Please stop. Thanks. md -- Jon maddog Hall Executive Director Linux(R) International email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 80 Amherst St. Voice: +1.603.672.4557 Amherst,

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:10:41AM -0500, Paul Lussier wrote: In a message dated: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:28:29 +0900 Derek Martin said: Democracy died a long, long time ago. And Democracy has absolutely nothing to do with our form of government, which is a Constitutional Republic. The two

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread brian
On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 10:57, Mark Komarinski wrote: George Bush = Hitler Max Cleland = Bin Laden There. Thread's over. Haha... Invoking Goodwin's Law Good one :) ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 11:08:02AM -0500, Ed Robbins wrote: Ok, so it's not Linux related, but what a great discussion! Kudos to Paul for pointing out that our form of government is not a democracy, it is in fact a republic. Jeez, can't get no respect, even amongst geeks... ;-) --

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Michael ODonnell
Since it's rude to inflict your non-Linux-related views on this captive audience (gathered here because we value this channel's blessedly high *LINUX-RELATED* S/N ratio) and since there are eleventy-bazillion other channels (USENET, email lists, blogs, barrooms, etc) where election-talk *is*

RE: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Travis Roy
That is also hogwash. Who wanted the DMCA? Who wanted the Patriot act? NO ONE, except for those who it directly benefited (law enforcement, RIAA/MPAA cartel, whatever). Those with enough money or influence to see that they passed. Was there public outcry about these bills, beforea they

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Ed Robbins
Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 11:08:02AM -0500, Ed Robbins wrote: Ok, so it's not Linux related, but what a great discussion! Kudos to Paul for pointing out that our form of government is not a democracy, it is in fact a republic. Jeez, can't get no respect, even

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread bscott
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, at 1:22am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As interesting as this discussion might be to a few, it has NOTHING to do with Linux. I have long been an advocate of the idea that anything that touches even the fringes of Linux and open source software is on topic here. Given

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread bscott
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 1:39pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 10:57, Mark Komarinski wrote: George Bush = Hitler Max Cleland = Bin Laden There. Thread's over. Haha... Invoking Goodwin's Law Good one :) ITYM Godwin. Yes, but Quirk's Exception says

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Mark Komarinski
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:13:38PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2004, at 1:39pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 10:57, Mark Komarinski wrote: George Bush = Hitler Max Cleland = Bin Laden There. Thread's over. Haha... Invoking

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Greg Rundlett
Ed Robbins wrote: Ok, so it's not Linux related, but what a great discussion! I'm sorry to disagree with Maddog, but I think it *is* Linux related, although I never made the connection clear. Let me try to do so. Technology policy, Patent law, Copyright law and our government have

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-29 Thread Jon maddog Hall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm sorry to disagree with Maddog, but I think it *is* Linux related, although I never made the connection clear.  Those of you who quickly turned to the issues of DCMA, Copyright law, etc. to justify the discussion that was in this list about whether or not the United

OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Greg Rundlett
The US Census Bureau reports that there were 926,224 persons over the age of 18 in NH in the 2000 Census. http://fastfacts.census.gov/servlet/CWSFacts?geo_id=04000US33_sse=on/ The Associated Press reports that about 200,000 people voted in the NH primary yesterday eg.

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Randy Edwards
We can simply deduce that 22% of persons over the age of 18 voted yesterday in NH. If NH is the Live Free or Die state, I guess 78% would rather let Democracy die than cast a ballot for President of the United States The Greatest Democracy in the World. But we're a republic, not a

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Wed, 2004-01-28 at 13:04, Greg Rundlett wrote: The US Census Bureau reports that there were 926,224 persons over the age of 18 in NH in the 2000 Census. http://fastfacts.census.gov/servlet/CWSFacts?geo_id=04000US33_sse=on/ The Associated Press reports that about 200,000 people voted in

RE: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Travis Roy
Keep in mind that NH tends to lean towards republican, and for most republicans there was not much (if any) reason to go to the polls yesterday. This is very true, also the fact that a lot of independents (like myself) tend to side with the right a bit probably didn't go to vote either. I know

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Tony Lekas
Although it does not make a large difference, 2.3% of the people in NH are not citizens and are not elegible to vote. I did not see numbers for those over 18. I suspect that the percentage would be somewhat higher for them because children are automatically citizens if born in the US. In

Re: OT: Voting results in NH

2004-01-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 01:04:15PM -0500, Greg Rundlett wrote: We can simply deduce that 22% of persons over the age of 18 voted yesterday in NH. If NH is the Live Free or Die state, I guess 78% would rather let Democracy die than cast a ballot for President of the United States The