Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-25 Thread Henry Hall
Thanks to BUoD (Bad User on Device - is that an acronym only my kids use when referring to me?) this appears not to have made it out. Henry - Only a few historical rants to add: Jon 'maddog' Hall wrote: And there's the retro naming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. ummm, that was way more

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-25 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 18:33 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 6/25/07, Henry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to BUoD ... this appears not to have made it out. I always liked PICNIC (Problem In Chair, Not In Computer). *laugh* I've always heard PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Chair And

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-25 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/25/07, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 18:33 -0400, Ben Scott wrote: On 6/25/07, Henry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to BUoD ... this appears not to have made it out. I always liked PICNIC (Problem In Chair, Not In Computer). *laugh* I've always

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-22 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I truly cannot believe, after all of the off-topic conversations we've had, how anal retentive the list has become recently. That should be hyphenated as anal-retentive. ;-) -- Ben ___

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-22 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there's the retro naming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. ummm, that was way more than a retro naming. SunOS was based on the BSD kernel and the BSD code, modified a long time under Sun. Solaris was based on System V.4, with Sun

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-22 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 09:33 -0400, Tom Buskey wrote: On 6/21/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there's the retro naming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. ummm, that was way more than a retro naming. SunOS was based on the BSD kernel and the BSD

Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion lately. What's your typical rant? :-) -- Ben ___

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion lately. What's your typical rant? :-) An easy one to

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) -- Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.code-energy.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Shawn K. O'Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Without going on my typical rant about Solaris/x86 ... Okay, I'm curious, and this list has been starved for *nix-related discussion

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Mark Komarinski
On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ted Roche
Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS! http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.gnhlug/9813 -- Ted Roche Ted Roche Associates, LLC http://www.tedroche.com ___ gnhlug-discuss mailing list

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a shift to an entirely different operating system?

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stable API with backward compatibility A better point to make is the stable ABI. The Linux API does pretty well with getting old code to compile under newer stuff. But getting old binaries working is often less easy. There's a definite

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Thomas Charron
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An easy one to target is the fact that every few years, Sun decides to phase out Solaris x86, then rekindle it once again. They tried to phase out Solaris 9. Solaris 10 was actively developed on AMD chips. Solaris 11 is being actively

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Tom Buskey
On 6/21/07, Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stable API with backward compatibility A better point to make is the stable ABI. The Linux API does pretty well with getting old code to compile under newer stuff. But getting old binaries

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Cole Tuininga
On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 10:14 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote: On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :) http://zfs-on-fuse.blogspot.com/ Right - but because FUSE lives in

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Derek Atkins
Cole Tuininga [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 10:14 -0400, Mark Komarinski wrote: On 06/21/2007 10:02 AM, Cole Tuininga wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-21 at 09:52 -0400, Thomas Charron wrote: So one has to ask. What's the point? :-) ZFS? :)

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Tom Buskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To those who are not aware, Solaris 2.6 would be Solaris 6 under the current nomenclature. Actually, Solaris 2.6 is 2.6. Solaris 2.7 became just Solaris 7. Lame response. Obviously, if 2.7 = 7, 2.8 = 8, 2.9 = 9, and 2.10 = 10, then 2.6 =

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Ben Scott
On 6/21/07, Derek Atkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right - but because FUSE lives in userland, my understanding is that the performance is somewhere around 50% of what you'd see on Solaris. Actually, the FUSE overhead is extremely low. Performance almost always depends on implementation

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Bill McGonigle
On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:29, Thomas Charron wrote: ZFS is nice, yes. But does it offer a large enough benefit to justify a shift to an entirely different operating system? I think the answer is 'yes', if your needs are a match for ZFS. Now, without sparking a 60-message thread of what is an

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread VirginSnow
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:42:47 -0400 From: Thomas Charron [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Disposition: inline Cc: gnhlug-discuss@mail.gnhlug.org As a desktop, I think Linux has it all over Solaris though not as much as in the past. As a server, I can see places where Solaris has advantages.

Re: Solaris/x86 rant (was: Any advice on Solaris laptops?)

2007-06-21 Thread Jon 'maddog' Hall
And there's the retro naming of SunOS 4.x to Solaris 1.x. ummm, that was way more than a retro naming. SunOS was based on the BSD kernel and the BSD code, modified a long time under Sun. Solaris was based on System V.4, with Sun ripping it apart and basically re-writing it. SunOS was related