> Yes, they _are_ the sources of forked projects.
if every time the sources changed, you rebuild your project, you dont
have a forked project.
> If you want to be upstream, then start your own projects, make them
> better than Linux and Firefox and people will use them. If you can pull that,
> su
have
> free software that you can distribute without these restrictions.
> That's exactly what GNU IceCat and friends do.
>
>> * Do you know of any other trademark license that restricts
>> distribution or usability?
>
> I'm not aware of any.
>
> Best re
> While projects like linux-libre and icecat are not the legal copyright
> holder of the source isn't relevant to us; the licence they are
> distributed under gives us the permission we need. (No one entity holds
> all the copyright to Linux either).
yes, nobody says that you dont have the right t
> "Cannot be changed" usually doesn't mean "can be changed only into a
> differently named file". Many other files explicitly state that
> changing is allowed when the file is renamed.
plain.tex cannot be changed means that plain.tex cannot be changed, not that
pain.2.tex cannot be changed, ref
> - MeX license which can be interpreted to disallow selling or
> modification
>
if it is in public domain, it has no licence
>> The MeX package belongs to the public domain.
>>
>> The MeX package may only be distributed in unchanged and complete form
>> including the files MEXINFO.ENG and MEXINFO.POL.
I dont understand this point. If it is in the public comain, no one
could impose that restrictions.
http://www.ams.org/publications/authors/tex/public-domain-tex
2011/8/2 Diego Saravia :
> amstex without sources
>
> sources:
> http://www.ctan.org/pkg/amstex
> thats the licence
> http://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/help/Catalogue/licenses.lppl
amstex without sources
sources:
http://www.ctan.org/pkg/amstex
thats the licence
http://ctan.dcc.uchile.cl/help/Catalogue/licenses.lppl.html
2011/8/2 Diego Saravia :
> % This macro file belongs to the public domain
> % under the conditions specified
% This macro file belongs to the public domain
% under the conditions specified by the author of TeX:
%
% ``Macro files like PLAIN.TEX should not be changed in any way,
% except with respect to preloaded fonts,
% unless the changes are authorized by the authors of the macros.''
%
%
at exclude software are
>> extremely inflexible
>
>
> Formats are not programs, plugins are.
>
probably formats are more important than programs.
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2011/7/22 Jason Self
> What? Is is absolutely source code.
>
Source is the point of origin of something
Its not the same as upstream. cd .. takes you upstream. cd / takes you to
the root.
its not the same as compilable code
In software, is what PEOPLE create by its minds.
Legally the autho
inux-libre nor in ice cat project. They are not new projects, nor forks,
and continue to be that way, each new version is constructed from a new
version of the very sources. Only one criterion: remove non free, restrict
the universo of machines to the one in wich only free soft. could be run.
2011/7/22 Leo :
> On Thursday 21 July 2011 18:34:33 Diego Saravia wrote:
>> we need new, independient projects, a new free kernel, a new free
>> browser, with free true sources, and a comunity involved in free
>> software principles.
>
> Why new? We have Linux-libre
sou
u comply with this Trademark Policy and you distribute them without
> charge."
>
> Not being able to charge money for unmodified binaries does seem to conflict
> with that with what the FSF has in their Free Software Definition.
>
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NO FUN
cargarlos.
>
>
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ke out blobs?
>
> Yes, we do at times. (And hopefully more in the future).
> kk
that s good, whether they could pay less or more attention to us
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, and that plan needs debian kernel
people attention?
What is our message to debian kernee people?
Why do we need their attention?
Are we asking them to use linux-libre?
Are we asking them to take out blobs?
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2010/11/4 Karl Goetz
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 16:00:26 -0300
> Diego Saravia wrote:
>
> > are they using linux-libre kernel and moving normal kernels into
> > non-free?
>
> _sigh_.
> Can people stop saying stuff like this? its utterly utterly pointless,
> and ju
at we find.
>
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>
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ngly enough.
> kk
>
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> http://www.kgoetz.id.au
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ation of participatory mechanisms and regulations that
> gave rise to the organization, the abandonment of the bureaucratic
> leadership of mass participation lists, the proscription of opposition
> electoral lists, the fall of the mandates of its board suspending the
> electoral proc
2009/9/11 Yavor Doganov
> This discussion is pointless, but anyway...
>
> Diego Saravia wrote:
> > it will be a system incapable of autogenerating its sofware,
>
> Not if the bugs that are left behind are fixed. Which was the whole
> point of my initial comment -- rm&#x
2009/9/11 Yavor Doganov
> Diego Saravia wrote:
> > so you can't remove TeX without removing all gnu system
>
> You can. It would be a crippled system (especially having in mind
> that there's no reason to remove TeX), but you can.
>
>
>
>
it will be
2009/9/10 Yavor Doganov
> Diego Saravia wrote:
> > > Texinfo != TeX
> > >
> > yes, but It do not use TeX?
>
> Why don't you look at its dependencies?
>
I use it, so I know the situation
>
> You don't need TeX to produce a document in Info
2009/9/10 Yavor Doganov
> Diego Saravia wrote:
> > probably all gnu project must be removed, they use texinfo,
>
> Texinfo != TeX
>
>
yes, but It do not use TeX?
> Anyway, my point wss that if a package must be removed (which is not
> the case for TeX Live, I beli
stream in TeX Live >=
> 2007, or even just rm'ed in TeX' SVN repository upstream.
>
>
>
>
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ing in a main -posing
> as free- repository, no matter which mainstream distro it is part of, so
> we can include it in the blacklist.
>
>
>
>
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2009/8/19 Diego Saravia :
> El 19 de agosto de 2009 15:24, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez escribió:
>>
>>> welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
>>> ok not program, but content
>>>
>>> and of course world is not a static p
focus on the firmware thing here.
>
>
>
i do not suggest that
I suggest that we dont need to remove free drivers, only blobls
but the reasons to do one or other things must be coherent in all the fronts
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2009/8/19 Alexandre Oliva :
> On Aug 19, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>
>> trying to separate code from data is like argue about angel's shoulders
>
> There seems to be an assumed dichotomy here that isn't true.
>
>> every data codification could be use to
>
> Thank you.
>
welcome to gnash, gnash only works with propietary codified content,
ok not program, but content
and of course world is not a static place, perhaps today we do not
have a free firmware, but tomorow yes
so this *only* have a complex timeframe: today, always?
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2) ututo do not distribute material restricted with trademarks
3) ututo do not distribute blobs, but we distribute free drivers.
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> Why does the firmware load mechanism need to be disabled? I'd have
> thought leaving it enabled is more likely to encourage development on
> free alternatives (by lowering the barrier to entry when it comes to
> testing them).
> kk
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> until you satisfy their demand.
>
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ng "advertised", and there is a more viable hope that some developer
> will be found to work on free alternatives.
>
> This idea isn't mine. I gather (thanks Yavor) that the FSFLA list, and
> rms/aoliva/et al., reached a similar conclusion, after lots of
> discussion si
2009/8/18 Yavor Doganov :
> Diego Saravia wrote:
>> > Yes, free software should support as many formats as possible.
>>
>> propietary ones also?
>
> Of course. Many people and businesses would be still stuck with
> Windows if there were no free programs reading M
7;s for that.
>
> Also remember: a non-free firmware file is *not* data in a proprietary
> format (like a word file), it is a non-free program. So using Gnash as a
> comparison is misleading.
>
recomending non free is also "data"
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tion.
"To recommend mplayer is, in effect, to promote use of the non-free codecs"
the same with gnash.
>
> --
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> GNU Project http://www.gnu.org
>
>
>
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ether.
>
and if there is not a free driver now, we must help its development,
so me must distribute the free driver alone
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it.
why do you think we can't mention non-free?
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, or dont telling users what we know.
2009/8/18 Diego Saravia :
> *do you include wget in your distribution?
>
> if so, you are encourgaging users to download propietary software, blame you
>
> *do you include gnash in your distribution?
>
> you are encouraging users to download
ely minor
> misunderstandings.
>
> It may be useful to remember the other person may not be able to express the
> view they want to as accurately as they might want, and you may not be
> understanding that communication as well as you think, in particular if the
> message was not sent with 100% accuracy, which although we strive for it,
> English is buggy and there is no upstream to fix it.
>
> Happy Software Freedom Day Every Day!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sam Geeraerts
>
>
>
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k from your "free software
distribution guide"
* in relation with drivers, I do not endorse free software dist guide
in relation to trademarks or non free content.
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2009/8/17 Alexandre Oliva :
> On Aug 17, 2009, Diego Saravia wrote:
>
>> 2009/8/17 Richard Stallman
>
>> If users get the driver and microcode on their own, they can install
>> and run them.
>
>> thats not the point
>
> It is an important point
I do not agree that distributing a free driver will promote the ussage
of non free software.
> I fail to see the connection here.
I see it.
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gt;
thats not the point
the point si to distribute or no, a free driver without distributing
non-free firmware
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2009/8/17 Yavor Doganov :
> Diego Saravia wrote:
>> how do you do what you say?
>> ututo do it modifiing what the driver prints when it do not find the
>> blob the alternatives under discussion are not what you are speaking
>> about
>> are:
>> a) distr
lity also
>Now, we can change this words?
No, functionality with free software was always an important point.
>Funcionality is important to Open Source Iniciative not for us.
> For us only freedom is important.
and so, why do you opose to distribute a non working driver, thats free?
2009/8/16 Yavor Doganov :
> Diego Saravia wrote:
>> > Could you please explain what this invitation entails?
>>
>> you are telling to the world: we have free code to load firmware, we
>> need free firmware
>
> No. You are telling to the world: we have cod
if it exists.
free driver is better than gnash
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2009/8/16 Yavor Doganov :
> Diego Saravia wrote:
>> > The driver ITSELF is free software. But there is no way to use
>> > it in the Free World.
>>
>> could be used to develop a free blob
>
> As I said in my previous messages, distributing the blob
develop a free blob
> depends on. For instance, if we can replace the non-free firmware,
> or convince the company to free it, then the driver will be ok.
yes, we can ask people to work on free firmware distributing drivers
that could use them.
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"we dont need no education
we don't need thought control"
pink floyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTpZpwjtIE
El 15 de agosto de 2009 06:22, Diego Saravia escribió:
> no queremos la libertad a traves de la oscuridad
>
> *transparencia
>
> *usuarios inf
we dont need freedom throughout obscurity
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2009/8/15 Daniel Olivera :
> Diego Saravia escribió:
>> El 14 de agosto de 2009 23:30, Richard Stallman escribió:
>>> Lest people get the wrong idea, I should point out that the FSF
>>> is not considering a change in its criteria for free distros.
>>
>> I
anding about what these criteria are and what they mean.
enlight us about that
> I have not seen any reason to reconsider the decision.
I dont see any reason to follow, support, or recomend that criteria
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El 14 de agosto de 2009 17:43, Rubén Rodríguez Pérez escribió:
> El vie, 14-08-2009 a las 16:46 -0300, Diego Saravia escribió:
>> >> or only print info about what is missing?
>> >
>> > The vanilla kernel prints an error about the missing files if the
>> &g
before that
project exists.
>
>> do free distros must have non-free-software-having-hardware detection
>> procedures and user warnings?
>
> Please, explain "non-free-software-having-hardware detection procedures"
capability to detect and warn user about hardware without free software
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ull? or the removal can be done by a
script running over a normal kernel?
do free distros must have non-free-software-having-hardware detection
procedures and user warnings?
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Hi
I'm Diego Saravia, ancient Ututo founder.
http://www.ututo.org
At your service.
2009/3/16, Rubén Rodríguez :
> Hi, may I start?
>
> I'm Rubén Rodríguez, a 26 year old hacker from Spain, founder and
> current leader of the Trisquel GNU/Linux project, a fully free distr
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